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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:56 pm

Via IEVS:
Hyundai Kona EV Gets Official Range Rating of 292 Miles
https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-ev-gets-official-range-rating-292-miles/
(470 km) That's for the 64.2 kWh battery, and is WLTP. The 39.2 kWh version is credited with 186 miles (300 km), 133 hp motor (99 kW), 291 lb.-ft. (395 N-m) and 0-62 (0-100km) of 9.3 sec. vs. 7.6 for the bigger battery car which has a 201 hp (150kW) motor with the same torque as the base model.
Once the battery is depleted, it will take around 6 hours and 10 minutes to fully recharge the 39.2-kWh pack whereas the larger 64-kWh pack will need roughly 9 hours and 40 minutes. Thankfully, Hyundai has implemented a quick-charge facility for those in a hurry. Using the 100-kW DC fast charger, both flavors of the Kona Electric will “fill up” the batteries to an 80-percent level in just 54 minutes. . . .

If you’re worried the battery pack will eat into the available room inside, Hyundai mentions the Kona’s all-new platform has allowed the engineers to neatly integrate the battery packs without having a negative impact on cabin space. Without the charging cable, the trunk can swallow up to 373 liters of storage, while with the charging cable the number decreases to 332. . . .

According to some sources, the Kona Electric will land in the United States in the first half of 2019, carrying a base price of just under $40,000. It will be offered with only one battery option in the U.S., the larger 64-kWh one.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:21 pm

GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
Hyundai Kona EV Gets Official Range Rating of 292 Miles
https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-ev-gets-official-range-rating-292-miles/
(470 km) That's for the 64.2 kWh battery, and is WLTP...

Not exactly...

Hyundai, the source mangled by IEVS above actually states:
Powertrains

The All-New Electric offers pure e-mobility with two different powertrains. The long-range version with the 64 kWh battery provides an electric range of up to 470 km and an energy consumption of 15.2 kWh/100 km (internal target under WLTP regulations). The electric motor delivers an output of 150 kW, accelerating the All-New Kona Electric to 100 kph in impressive 7.6 seconds.

With a battery capacity of 39,2 kWh, the basic version drives you up to 300 km on a single charge with the motor delivering 99 kW and an energy consumption as low as 14.8 kWh/100 km (internal target under WLTP regulations)...

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/press-kits/ ... rformance/
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:38 pm

I think they got it right with the front charge port location c/w 7.2kW obc .
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Guess i'll have to wait for summer 2019 :(
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:21 pm

X post from the NIro thread:

edatoakrun wrote:Range report from Korea:

JejuSoul:

The N iro EV went on sale yesterday in Korea...

Interesting to see the comparison with the two versions of the N iro EV against the K ona EV

N iro EV LE 64kWh - 380km but K ona EV 64kWh - 490km
N iro EV ME 39.2kWh - 240km but K ona EV 39.2kWh - 300km

The K ona details are from here - https://www.hyundai.news/eu/feature/all ... -electric/

Those numbers for the K ona EV are not realistic. They are claimed to be WLTP. I have now seen the Korean range numbers for the 64kWh K ona.
They are 390km at 20C and 273 at -7C. Korean range numbers for the 64kWh N iro. are 380km at 20C and 270 at -7C.

http://www.mykiasoulev.com/forum/viewto ... c&start=30

IMO, the 20 C range ratings above will probably be pretty close to EPA combined, when and if both BEVs are available for sale in the USA.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:27 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
Hyundai Kona EV Gets Official Range Rating of 292 Miles
https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-ev-gets-official-range-rating-292-miles/
(470 km) That's for the 64.2 kWh battery, and is WLTP...

Not exactly...

Hyundai, the source mangled by IEVS above actually states:
Powertrains

The All-New Electric offers pure e-mobility with two different powertrains. The long-range version with the 64 kWh battery provides an electric range of up to 470 km and an energy consumption of 15.2 kWh/100 km (internal target under WLTP regulations). The electric motor delivers an output of 150 kW, accelerating the All-New Kona Electric to 100 kph in impressive 7.6 seconds.

With a battery capacity of 39,2 kWh, the basic version drives you up to 300 km on a single charge with the motor delivering 99 kW and an energy consumption as low as 14.8 kWh/100 km (internal target under WLTP regulations)...

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/press-kits/ ... rformance/

What am I missing, because that appears to be exactly what I wrote, based on the IEVS article? [quote](470 km) That's for the 64.2 kWh battery, and is WLTP. The 39.2 kWh version is credited with 186 miles (300 km), 133 hp motor (99 kW), 291 lb.-ft. (395 N-m) and 0-62 (0-100km) of 9.3 sec. vs. 7.6 for the bigger battery car which has a 201 hp (150kW) motor with the same torque as the base model.[/quote]
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:36 am

InsideEVs reports on a nice video review of the Kona from the Geneva show. I have to say that looks like the nearly-perfect electric commuter car, assuming the driver's seat is comfortable. It should be able to handle just about any commute with heat or A/C, depending on the model which you choose. The short-range version would suit my wife for her commute almost perfectly.

When you look at the difference between this and the Honda Fit EV (that almost no one could purchase), the difference in capability is stark. If Hyundai decides to sell this vehicle in quantities in the US, then Honda should really start to worry about the future of the Fit here.

Simply put, Korea is well-poised to leverage their battery-technology prowess in order boost their market position in the US and other markets around the globe. I think the Kona Electric could quickly become the commuter-of-choice for a large number of Americans.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:19 am

That review begs for skimming. It's mostly a review of the car's styling, and secondarily a review of the ergonomics.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:59 pm

Via IEVS:
Hyundai Kona Electric – 250 Mile Range, 64-kWh Battery For U.S.
https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-250-miles-range/ No pricing yet. Available in CA 4Q, then other states.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:06 pm

Is this more Hyundai vaporware? Not sure what's going on w/Hyundai EVs in the US (supply problem?) but per https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/, they sold a whopping 49 Ioniqs in the US in Jan 2018 and 3 in Feb. For 2017, it was 432 in total.

I've seen maybe 1 or 2 Ioniq EVs in the wild (might be the same one). The driver at free public L2 charging told me they had to go to So Cal to get it. I asked Hyundai reps at the SJ Auto Show in Jan 2018 and IIRC, they didn't know what was up.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:33 pm

I've seen I think two Ionic PHEVs so far. I don't think I've seen any of the BEVs yet. OTOH, I've only seen 3 2018 LEAFs in the wild to date, and they've sold far better.
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