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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:40 am

cwerdna wrote: they saw a peak charging rate of 76 kW at 52% SoC (3:30 into the video)..
That about matches the highest kW Bjorn Nyland has reported in the variety of CCS EVs that he has tested including the Jag and E-tron.

I have no idea why the peak rate is so far below the charger capability. I'm sort of expecting the same with the V3 Supercharger but I'll be delighted to be wrong.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:52 am

iPlug: Thanks for the comparison!

I've watched part of the video at https://insideevs.com/edmunds-hyundai-k ... hevy-bolt/ earlier. At ~4:19 they compare cargo room of Bolt vs. Kona EV. They then compare rear seat room with a constant of the same guy in the front seat. Kona EV was worse rear room (at least front to back).

Re: length, yeah, the Bolt EV is pretty short on the outside at 164" long. My '13 Leaf is 175". '19 Leaf is 176.4".

I've not physically seen a Kona EV but yeah, Bolt interior is pretty cheap. I'd say it's a Tupperware interior. The interior bits seem durable enough but it seems like virtually all to be hard plastics.

I may be able to see a Kona EV in person (hopefully) at http://svautoshow.com/. I'm planning to take Friday off work to go.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:34 am

Are you sure you want to do that, Cwerdna? Really, really sure...? ;)
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:54 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Are you sure you want to do that, Cwerdna? Really, really sure...? ;)
LOL! I got free tix to the auto show thanks to Chevy (received an email). Not that the show's expensive but I skipped SF Auto Show this time as Silicon Valley Auto Show got moved in terms of date and no longer overlaps w/CES in Vegas. SV Auto Show is also much more convenient for me in terms of location and distance.

I like cars but have no plans to buy another in the near future. And, it's not like I can get a Kona for cheap anyway nor would I want to take a bath on my Bolt and go for a 1st model year Kona EV of unknown reliability vs. a Bolt that has a decent reliability record, so far.

I do plan to look at other vehicles while there.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:14 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Are you sure you want to do that, Cwerdna? Really, really sure...? ;)
So, I did take a look. The interior of the Kona EV while better than the Bolt EV isn't awesome. It has some more soft touch plastic whereas the Bolt has basically none in the interior.

The stereo actually had 40 memory slots instead of the lame 15 in total on the Bolt.

I can see what Edmunds is saying about rear seat room. It's kinda tight back there. Also, although it has more length for rear cargo room, it seems like there isn't as much cargo room height wise. There was a pivoting sort of false floor in the Kona EV but it was just a bunch styrofoam pieces underneath possibly for a L1 EVSE and tire goop and pump that weren't in the car. It's not like you could really put much in there if those items were removed.

I wasn't a real fan of the front styling of the Kona EV either.

Given the crazy markups I'm hearing for Kona EV making it sound like getting one for below MSRP is impossible right now, I'm glad I didn't want for it. I wasn't planning to anyway.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:51 pm

IEVS, Alex on Autos review of the Kona Electric:
Hyundai Kona Electric Buries Chevy Bolt, Leaves Nissan Leaf
https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-elec ... eaf-video/
. . . This latest review, a very thorough and excellent one from the Alex on Autos YouTube channel, is the latest to make the argument that it should be near the top of your all-electric crossover shopping list. He ranks it above both the Chevy Bolt and the Nissan LEAF.

In fact, our host here is torn between the Hyundai Kona Electric, the Kia Niro EV, and the upcoming Kia Soul EV as his top picks in this segment. For him, the argument isn’t abstract, either. He lets us know the lease on his personal vehicle, a current-generation Kia Soul EV, is ending in June and he’ll be in the battery-powered market to replace it.

As an aside, he doesn’t believe the Tesla Model 3 is a direct competitor, since one wouldn’t put a BMW 3 Series up against the Kona Electric crossover, as one would the American mid-size sedan. To our minds, that’s a rational statement but leaves out that for the many who put a premium on an electric powertrain over body shape, the Tesla remains a reasonable option. Add the availability constraints of the Korean cars to the mix and the fact that the Standard Range Model 3 variant is now available, we believe it’s very much in play here. . . .
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:55 pm

iPlug wrote:...We just went for a test drive and they marked up all four of their Kona EV‘s by $5000. No shame.
Hopefully that's a sign of growing EV demand overall. If dealers find they can move EVs, they might start treating them more seriously.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:58 pm

Nubo wrote:
iPlug wrote:...We just went for a test drive and they marked up all four of their Kona EV‘s by $5000. No shame.
Hopefully that's a sign of growing EV demand overall. If dealers find they can move EVs, they might start treating them more seriously.
We'll have to see what March US sales look like besides hearing about the supply situation. If https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ is accurate, 0 were sold in the US jan 2019 and 16 in Feb.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:39 am

Yesterday, a LEAFer saw Kona ad so called dealer to mention ad and schedule test drive. After test drive, he noticed $10,000 markup and dealer would only take off $3,000.

So until base trim Kona is out at MSRP, I suggest everyone stay away. Hope you have a lot of time to kill cause I am thinking that won't happen this year.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:42 pm

Nubo wrote:
iPlug wrote:...We just went for a test drive and they marked up all four of their Kona EV‘s by $5000. No shame.
Hopefully that's a sign of growing EV demand overall. If dealers find they can move EVs, they might start treating them more seriously.
Unfortunately not in this case. The dealer said they were doing it because they were very supply constrained. Still all the vehicles were still on the lot when I visited compared to when their online inventory first showed them days before.
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