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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:39 pm

OrientExpress wrote:I just finished spending a week with a Kona, and it is an OK BEV.

The pluses are that it has great build quality, good range, I experienced a 256 mile range on a charge with 70-75 mph highway driving.

The negatives, is that it is very expensive, with the model I drove listing for $45.8K. It is still ramping production so it is not available widely yet. It is also essentially a compact CUV, not much larger than a VW Golf

Golf: 168" x 71 x 58"
Kona: 164" x 71" x 61"

The Golf's got more cargo space, but slightly less pax. space (prob. due to the height dif.) although I (6' 0") had no trouble sitting behind myself in the Golf, and judging by the reviews I've read of the Kona that wouldn't be the case in it:

Golf pax. volume : ft³ 93.5

Cargo volume seats up: 22.8 ft.^3
" " " down: 52.7 ft.^3

Kona pax. vol.: 94.1 Ft.^3

Cargo space seats up: 19 ft.^3
" " " down: 45.8 ft.^3

with the rear seats down and the fronts slid all the way forward I was just able to lie down stretched out on my back in the Golf (head on center armrest between front seats). As the Kona's essentially the same length as the Bolt, and I can't do that in the latter, I doubt that would be possible in the Kona either. The Niro (172" L) will probably work; I can do this in my Forester (175" L) with a few inches to spare.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:56 pm

GCR:
2019 Hyundai Kona Electric costs $500 more than it did last month
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122538_2019-hyundai-kona-electric-costs-500-more-than-it-did-last-month

Now $37,995 incl. dest.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:30 pm

Saw my first Kona BEV in the wild today. Anyone else, other than owners?
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:57 am

Yeah, I had a Kona along with a Nexo earlier this month. I'm having a Kia Niro delivered today.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:19 am

Here is what the Motor and heat pump system looks like in a Kona and Niro.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:57 am

How is Niro/Kona range vs leaf in real life?
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:02 am

The Guess-O-Meters are much more accurate in these 2019 BEVs

2019 Nissan LEAF Plus, 246 actual miles:

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2019 Hyundai Kona, 257 actual miles

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2019 Kia Niro, 261 actual miles.

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:53 pm

OR

Is your leaf an SL?
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:23 pm

Isn't the (U.S.) Kona missing a heat pump? From IEVS last December:
At least for the 2019 model year, all Kona Electric’s sold in the US will come without a dedicated battery heater while all Canadian versions will include one. Similarly, all US deliveries will come with 5.5 kW PTC direct resistive cabin air heating alone while all Canadian deliveries will include a heat pump (reversible A/C system) to more efficiently assist cabin heating.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:03 pm

OE one more question. At a full charge, how many Gids do you get on leaf spy? (How many total usable kWh)
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