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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:02 pm

GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
Tesla Recalls 53,000 Model S & X For Faulty Parking Brake
http://insideevs.com/tesla-recalls-5400 ... ing-brake/


Fortunately the defect causes "stuck in park" and not "park in stuck", he-he.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:54 pm

Via IEVS:
Consumer Reports Downgrades Model S, X – Tesla To Respond With OTA Update
http://insideevs.com/consumer-reports-d ... ta-update/

When a standard safety features is still missing some six months after promised, a downgrade from Consumer Reports is to be expected.

Consumer Reports states:

“When we purchased our latest test car, we were assured automatic emergency braking would be enabled by the end of 2016,” says Jake Fisher, director of Consumer Reports’ Auto Test Center in Colchester, Conn. “We’ve been waiting for this important safety feature, which is standard equipment on much cheaper cars.”

With the feature still not available, Consumer Reports had no choice really but to adjust scoring for the Model S and X. [GRA: From 87 to 85,
dropping the Model S below the Lexus LS and BMW 7 series] . . . .

Consumer Reports reached out to Tesla for comment and the automaker responded. According to Tesla, it will now push out an over-the-air update for the Model S and X later this week (Thursday is the target put forth by Tesla). This update will activate automatic emergency braking.

*UPDATE: Bloomberg is reporting that Tesla is taking swifter action than expected in response to this scoring downgrade. Apparently, Tesla is rolling out the update now. . . .

This isn’t the first time that Consumer Reports reached out to Tesla directly to ask when automatic emergency braking would be added. Consumer Reports states:

Consumer Reports questioned Tesla in January about AEB as part of planning for the magazine’s Annual Auto Issue, which focuses on vehicle testing and ratings. Tesla gave reassurances then that AEB would be launched soon. The company further assured CR testers for the review of the Model S 60D in February that the update was weeks away. When the review was published March 17, the new AEB still had not been launched.”

But now it seems that since Consumer Reports decided to downgrade two Tesla models, the automaker will swing into action. Coincidence? Doubt it.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:39 am

A year ago I surprised my wife by setting up a test drive in a Tesla Model S here at the San Diego showroom. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE our Leaf and if anything ever happened to it we would gladly get another. However, we do take long road trips throughout the year, with several LONG ones during each summer. A 2-week (or 3-week) cross-country trip of from 7,000 to 9,000 miles; a 1-week trip of about 2,500 to 3,500 miles; and several shorter trips of 1,200 miles or less. Anyway, she fell in love with the Tesla and made me sign up for the Model 3 that evening.

Now, a year later, we are thinking that we would be better off with a Model S, 85 Kwh or greater, and anywhere from 2013 to 2015 Model year. I would be happy with any, but my wife wants the dark blue. I have kept my eyes open to Craigslist San Diego lately but think there must be a better source. The closer we get to our departure date (8-weeks from now) the more we want to make the long cross-country trip in our NEW (used) Blue Tesla S. We are thinking that we need the larger capacity battery, Tech Package (Auto pilot, auto parking - my wife really loved this one), and the white leather interior.

What I would love from others that have been driving their Tesla S for a while, even on long trips, is your recommendations of:

1. What other sources can I find used Tesla's for sale.

2. What features should we get: Must have, Should have, Would be nice to have, Don't need. Is any Model year preferred over another?

3. Budget I should need for the various Model Year, mileage, and options included.

4. What trip planning tools does Tesla have that will not only get us to our destinations, but plan our Super-Charger station stops. Does it give up to date access and availability?

5. Any other recommendations you think we would need when searching for our new EV.

Thank you all for your assistance in this matter.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:22 am

Graffi wrote:A year ago I surprised my wife by setting up a test drive in a Tesla Model S here at the San Diego showroom. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE our Leaf and if anything ever happened to it we would gladly get another. However, we do take long road trips throughout the year, with several LONG ones during each summer. A 2-week (or 3-week) cross-country trip of from 7,000 to 9,000 miles; a 1-week trip of about 2,500 to 3,500 miles; and several shorter trips of 1,200 miles or less. Anyway, she fell in love with the Tesla and made me sign up for the Model 3 that evening.

Now, a year later, we are thinking that we would be better off with a Model S, 85 Kwh or greater, and anywhere from 2013 to 2015 Model year. I would be happy with any, but my wife wants the dark blue. I have kept my eyes open to Craigslist San Diego lately but think there must be a better source. The closer we get to our departure date (8-weeks from now) the more we want to make the long cross-country trip in our NEW (used) Blue Tesla S. We are thinking that we need the larger capacity battery, Tech Package (Auto pilot, auto parking - my wife really loved this one), and the white leather interior.

What I would love from others that have been driving their Tesla S for a while, even on long trips, is your recommendations of:

1. What other sources can I find used Tesla's for sale.

2. What features should we get: Must have, Should have, Would be nice to have, Don't need. Is any Model year preferred over another?

3. Budget I should need for the various Model Year, mileage, and options included.

4. What trip planning tools does Tesla have that will not only get us to our destinations, but plan our Super-Charger station stops. Does it give up to date access and availability?

5. Any other recommendations you think we would need when searching for our new EV.

Thank you all for your assistance in this matter.


A post such as the above, may achieve better results by your joining the Tesla Forum and posting those
questions there.

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:41 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Graffi wrote:A year ago I surprised my wife by setting up a test drive in a Tesla Model S here at the San Diego showroom. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE our Leaf and if anything ever happened to it we would gladly get another. However, we do take long road trips throughout the year, with several LONG ones during each summer. A 2-week (or 3-week) cross-country trip of from 7,000 to 9,000 miles; a 1-week trip of about 2,500 to 3,500 miles; and several shorter trips of 1,200 miles or less. Anyway, she fell in love with the Tesla and made me sign up for the Model 3 that evening.

Now, a year later, we are thinking that we would be better off with a Model S, 85 Kwh or greater, and anywhere from 2013 to 2015 Model year. I would be happy with any, but my wife wants the dark blue. I have kept my eyes open to Craigslist San Diego lately but think there must be a better source. The closer we get to our departure date (8-weeks from now) the more we want to make the long cross-country trip in our NEW (used) Blue Tesla S. We are thinking that we need the larger capacity battery, Tech Package (Auto pilot, auto parking - my wife really loved this one), and the white leather interior.

What I would love from others that have been driving their Tesla S for a while, even on long trips, is your recommendations of:

<snip list>

A post such as the above, may achieve better results by your joining the Tesla Forum and posting those
questions there.

The Tesla Motors Club will be a much more useful forum: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:25 pm

GRA wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
Graffi wrote:A year ago I surprised my wife by setting up a test drive in a Tesla Model S here at the San Diego showroom. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE our Leaf and if anything ever happened to it we would gladly get another. However, we do take long road trips throughout the year, with several LONG ones during each summer. A 2-week (or 3-week) cross-country trip of from 7,000 to 9,000 miles; a 1-week trip of about 2,500 to 3,500 miles; and several shorter trips of 1,200 miles or less. Anyway, she fell in love with the Tesla and made me sign up for the Model 3 that evening.

Now, a year later, we are thinking that we would be better off with a Model S, 85 Kwh or greater, and anywhere from 2013 to 2015 Model year. I would be happy with any, but my wife wants the dark blue. I have kept my eyes open to Craigslist San Diego lately but think there must be a better source. The closer we get to our departure date (8-weeks from now) the more we want to make the long cross-country trip in our NEW (used) Blue Tesla S. We are thinking that we need the larger capacity battery, Tech Package (Auto pilot, auto parking - my wife really loved this one), and the white leather interior.

What I would love from others that have been driving their Tesla S for a while, even on long trips, is your recommendations of:

<snip list>

A post such as the above, may achieve better results by your joining the Tesla Forum and posting those
questions there.

The Tesla Motors Club will be a much more useful forum: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/


Thanks, I just signed up and posted the above to that forum.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:43 pm

GRA wrote:The Tesla Motors Club will be a much more useful forum: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/

I agree. But be prepared for some discussions on "TMC" that some folks are interested in discussing/arguing becoming VERY long very quickly. And, there enough Tesla/Elon fanboys there and some w/serious attitudes to be errr... off-putting.

And various people have been banned and un-banned (don't know even half the story) and at least one of the former (?) moderators had to get a restraining order against a former member (https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 796/page-5).

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 01, 2017 5:18 am

Graffi wrote:
Now, a year later, we are thinking that we would be better off with a Model S, 85 Kwh or greater, and anywhere from 2013 to 2015 Model year. I would be happy with any, but my wife wants the dark blue. I have kept my eyes open to Craigslist San Diego lately but think there must be a better source. The closer we get to our departure date (8-weeks from now) the more we want to make the long cross-country trip in our NEW (used) Blue Tesla S. We are thinking that we need the larger capacity battery, Tech Package (Auto pilot, auto parking - my wife really loved this one), and the white leather interior.

What I would love from others that have been driving their Tesla S for a while, even on long trips, is your recommendations of


1. What other sources can I find used Tesla's for sale. -- I found 29 blue Model S's (used SD zip 92101) on Tesla's own CPO site --

https://www.tesla.com/preowned?model=ms&price_range=0,70000&sort=price|asc&color=blue

2. What features should we get: Must have, Should have, Would be nice to have, Don't need. Is any Model year preferred over another?

Tesla doesn't really have 'model years'; more of when a new feature gets added (i.e., Autopilot) that can change the actual hardware (front fascia, etc.) to make it more desirable than an earlier mfg date; these earlier cars won't have the Enhanced AP functions but a definite must would be the Tech package so the maps, etc. are still upgradable, as you're thinking of an 85 they should have it; sunroof adds to the cars value and of course lower miles adds to value as well; finding a white leather interior may limit your choices (I didn't check the list, assume most are probably the black interior -- either leather or 'textile')

3. Budget I should need for the various Model Year, mileage, and options included. Again no model year but date of mfg.; the ones I found I limited to $70K simply because you can now buy a new Model S 75 for just under that -- low end for an 85 with a bit under 50K miles was $50K

4. What trip planning tools does Tesla have that will not only get us to our destinations, but plan our Super-Charger station stops. Does it give up to date access and availability? This feature is built in (as long as the tech package is there; just checked the least expensive model and it has this -- look into details and you'll find it); added 'bonus' on earlier cars is of course unlimited free access to Superchargers

5. Any other recommendations you think we would need when searching for our new EV. If I were to opt for a used Tesla, I would always go the CPO route, a 'normal' used one's existing remaining warranty will transfer over (8 year unlimited battery/electric motor(s) and 4 year 50K on the rest) but a CPO restarts the 4-year so its definitely worth the extra cost up front --- Tesla does a LOT of reconditioning when an owner trades one in. Many potential new M3 owners are indeed looking at the Model S if they haven't yet put a deposit down -- I probably will wait for a M3 with AWD as I live in the snowbelt Midwest, you didn't mention the D (or dual-motor for Tesla's AWD system) so should have a lot more cars to pick from. As you live in CA, don't they still have the $2,500 EV incentive? If so, when combined with the $7,500 Fed Tax Credit a new Model S 75 may be a better route to go --- see if the have any demo/service cars with a few discounts and start with a new car warranty
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 01, 2017 7:03 am

For a fraction of what a model S will cost you can just rent a car for those longer road trips, and likely find it's a far more satisfactory solution.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 01, 2017 7:33 am

Graffi wrote:1. What other sources can I find used Tesla's for sale.

I'm been working off and on to build a website dedicated to buying and selling used electric vehicles. While it's getting closer to an initial release, it won't help you today unfortunately. Used Teslas are sprinkled around the usual automotive sites (cars.com, AutoTrader, eBay, Craigslist) as well as on the Tesla Motors Club forum. One tricky aspect to shopping through the traditional sites is that you can't easily search on battery size and other EV-specific attributes.

My opinion is that the best way to buy a used Tesla is currently through Tesla Inc. However, many of their pre-owned vehicles are not listed on their website. My advice would be to contact a large sales center such as their Buena Park store. Tell them that you have a Model 3 reservation, but that you'd like to see if you can get into a pre-owned Model S sooner. I would not hesitate to get an older car with higher miles as long as you can verify that it comes with the standard pre-owned warranty. Some cars might be described as "as is", meaning that Tesla won't fix any minor, pre-existing cosmetic issues that might exist; this was the case with our used Model S.

Graffi wrote:2. What features should we get: Must have, Should have, Would be nice to have, Don't need. Is any Model year preferred over another?

I understand that newer cars tend to have better fit and finish, and that some of the newer versions of parts may be more reliable. Our 2012 Model S has body panels with somewhat uneven gaps, which doesn't bother us but might be an issue for some. About a month after we bought our car, the panoramic roof exhibited a leak. Thankfully, Tesla replaced our V1.0 pano roof with the most recent revision of the pano roof, under the pre-owned warranty, instead of repairing it piecemeal.

If you go on road trips, definitely get a larger battery (85 kWh for an older car, at least 75 kWh for a newer car). Also, verify that your car has the "tech package" if buying an older Model S.

We really like our pano roof because it makes the car feel more open and provides additional headroom. The tinting is great, and we don't feel hot. Some folks with cataract issues may find the light from above to be unhelpful, though.

One of our requirements was the rear facing child seats, for a total seating capacity of seven. The ventilation doesn't reach back there so well, though, so we bought a portable 12V fan, a 12V extension cord, and a 12V "Y" adapter. Otherwise, those seats are a great addition.

AutoPilot "1.0" was available on cars from approximately late 2014 through late 2016. Many people love it. I suppose its potential value depends on the sort of driving you do. Personally, rather than putting money into an AP 1.0 car, my thinking was to hold out for something closer to full autonomy. The AP 2.0 cars are supposed to have the hardware necessary to eventually achieve this. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Graffi wrote:3. Budget I should need for the various Model Year, mileage, and options included.

I'm not sure if anyone has a really good pricing model for used Teslas at this point, though some are trying. For an older Model S, I'd maybe shoot for close to $40K, which could require some patience.

Graffi wrote:4. What trip planning tools does Tesla have that will not only get us to our destinations, but plan our Super-Charger station stops. Does it give up to date access and availability?

My family has found the built-in nav system to be quite useful in this regard. It predicts energy usage and shows it on a plot compared with your actual usage on the current trip. It shows nearby Superchargers, incorporates them into the route as needed, and shows current availability/congestion.

Graffi wrote:5. Any other recommendations you think we would need when searching for our new EV.

If you buy from Tesla, be prepared to wait, as they don't generally prep their used vehicles for sale until orders come in. And be prepared to order a car sight unseen. Just make sure to inspect it for cosmetic issues prior to making the final payment. The warranty should cover any real, functional issues.
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