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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:07 pm

Via GCC: David Noland compares his S100D to his S85:
Life with Tesla Model S: assessing my new 100D vs old 2013 electric car
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112679_life-with-tesla-model-s-assessing-my-new-100d-vs-old-2013-electric-car

As the potential heating effect of the pano roof has been much argued about, here's his take:
*Glass roof: Although I love the panoramic overhead windshield of the Model X, the glass roof of the 100D, now standard on all versions of the Model S, disappointed.

First of all, it doesn’t extend forward enough to be part of the driver’s normal field of vision. So you don’t even notice it visually.

Second, it’s so darkly tinted that it triggers no sense of airiness or brighter ambient light in the car. (It’s so dark that I was able to view the recent solar eclipse through it while wearing two sets of sunglasses.)

And finally, on hot sunny days, it literally gets too hot to touch from the inside, radiating uncomfortably downward and adding tremendously to the air-conditioning load.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:54 am

GRA wrote:Via GCC: David Noland compares his S100D to his S85:
Life with Tesla Model S: assessing my new 100D vs old 2013 electric car
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112679_life-with-tesla-model-s-assessing-my-new-100d-vs-old-2013-electric-car

As the potential heating effect of the pano roof has been much argued about, here's his take:
*Glass roof: Although I love the panoramic overhead windshield of the Model X, the glass roof of the 100D, now standard on all versions of the Model S, disappointed.

First of all, it doesn’t extend forward enough to be part of the driver’s normal field of vision. So you don’t even notice it visually.

Second, it’s so darkly tinted that it triggers no sense of airiness or brighter ambient light in the car. (It’s so dark that I was able to view the recent solar eclipse through it while wearing two sets of sunglasses.)

And finally, on hot sunny days, it literally gets too hot to touch from the inside, radiating uncomfortably downward and adding tremendously to the air-conditioning load.
That certainly seems to confirm my own bias against the glass roof, although I am glad to read that it is dark enough that I might not have glare problems — I drive with visors down at all times in the daytime due to glare from remnants of cataracts. If I get another CPO S I hope I can snag one with a conventional roof ("body color" in Tesla-speak). I don't want a pano roof because it is just something else to break and I doubt that I would use it. The full glass roof figures to be hot in summer and cold in winter. The real benefit is for rear seat passengers — the pictures from inside are terrific — and for Tesla in ease of manufacturing the cars. I rarely have rear seat passengers, so no benefit for me, or a front seat passenger.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:56 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:
GRA wrote:As the potential heating effect of the pano roof has been much argued about, here's his take:
*Glass roof: Although I love the panoramic overhead windshield of the Model X, the glass roof of the 100D, now standard on all versions of the Model S, disappointed.

First of all, it doesn’t extend forward enough to be part of the driver’s normal field of vision. So you don’t even notice it visually.

Second, it’s so darkly tinted that it triggers no sense of airiness or brighter ambient light in the car. (It’s so dark that I was able to view the recent solar eclipse through it while wearing two sets of sunglasses.)

And finally, on hot sunny days, it literally gets too hot to touch from the inside, radiating uncomfortably downward and adding tremendously to the air-conditioning load.
That certainly seems to confirm my own bias against the glass roof, although I am glad to read that it is dark enough that I might not have glare problems — I drive with visors down at all times in the daytime due to glare from remnants of cataracts. If I get another CPO S I hope I can snag one with a conventional roof ("body color" in Tesla-speak). I don't want a pano roof because it is just something else to break and I doubt that I would use it. The full glass roof figures to be hot in summer and cold in winter. The real benefit is for rear seat passengers — the pictures from inside are terrific — and for Tesla in ease of manufacturing the cars. I rarely have rear seat passengers, so no benefit for me, or a front seat passenger.

I have the same reservations. While it looks great in photos, I see little practical value from it for people in the front seat, and even those in the rear are likely to spend only a small portion of their time with their heads tilted back 30-90 deg. Most of us don't do all our driving in Yosemite Valley or Zion Canyon, and the best answer for the views in similar locations is to stop and get out of the car. Lying down in the car I could see a view advantage, but when I'm lying in the car I'm usually sleeping. I much prefer a cheaper, simpler, lighter metal roof with less effect on internal temperature.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:43 pm

With the rapid changes to Model S pricing and availability recently, I can't remember if the date is new or has already been covered here. Via GCR:
RWD Tesla Model S 75 gone after September 24, as electric-car range continues to change
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112880_rwd-tesla-model-s-75-gone-after-september-24-as-electric-car-range-continues-to-change
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:59 pm

Via GCR:
How Tesla Model S alters car ownership: a buyer's one-year notes
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112798_how-tesla-model-s-alters-car-ownership-a-buyers-one-year-notes
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:39 pm

For those who might be interested, I recently read " Off the Grid: My Ride from Louisiana to the Panama Canal in an Electric Car" http://skyhorsepublishing.com/titles/12145-9781510717398-off-the-grid about a 2014 drive in an S85 from McAllen, Texas to Panama via Mexico, Guatemala, el Salvador, Honduras and Costa Rica, shortly after the Glenneys made the first U.S. transcontinental drive in a Tesla.

Definitely an adventure rather than a practical trip, involving a constant daily search for someplace to charge overnight (L2; lots of adapters plus 300 feet of high current extension cords), plus concerns about drug gangs, kidnappers, dealing with corrupt police and military, poor roads and closures etc. The prose is nothing special and most of the photos aren't either, but one thing it did give me an appreciation for is just how volcanic Central America is. I knew it was on the Ring of Fire, but seeing photos of some of the volcanos as well as descriptions of them in pretty much every country (not just Mexico) really brought that home to me.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:59 am

This is more generic to all Teslas, but this is as good a place as any:

Made a visit to the new Denver Service Center earlier this month. To check-in you drive right into the building and line up for processing:

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^ The check-in line at the Denver Service Center. The white box with a cable coiled on the floor is one of two Superchargers for charging up cars before returning them to owners. The glass wall on the right leads to the office area where the customer service reps work. The windows on the wall in the distant center lead to the customer waiting lounge; one can easily view the work being done on the cars in the service center (most customers get Tesla loaners or rental cars rather than wait).

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^ A look at some of the service bays (there are more to the left of this picture). This was early — 8:15 AM — so not much work had started. A couple of hours later things were jumping, with lots of cars in the bays, some on lifts. As you can see, the entire service area has a polished white floor. It isn't like any service garage I've seen before.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:15 pm

Nice illustrations for the future book "The Rise and Fall of Tesla".
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:46 pm

ah, a short troll. yay! keep on trolling. and shorting. and get a life.
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