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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:50 am

keydiver wrote:Welcome to the Tesla club. Do you know if your drive unit has ever been replaced?

Don't know yet. I understand that the Q revision with ceramic bearings appears to have solved the problem. I will be asking whether drive unit has been replaced with Q revision, and if not listening carefully for noises indicating the drive unit needs to be replaced under warranty. Since I will have around 3.5 years left on battery/drive unit warranty, it should either hold up fine or crap out before then. Other than that, not too concerned. I'm excited to get all that extra range. I will probably charge to 50% during the week to minimize battery capacity loss, more on the weekend for my typical 140 mile round trip drive to hike in the local mountains.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:14 am

I have been charging all the time to 90% since 09/2015, with zero degradation. I still get the same 216 mile range upon completion. I really don't think you need to be as careful with the Tesla battery as we were with our Leafs.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:28 pm

Congrats on the S buddy!!! You'll love it as all the rest of us have. Funny that we're all making this transition over (Leaf, (some to Rav) and then Tesla!!!)

As for the reliability, don't listen or read those old TMC posts, they're just that...OLD. The new parts and drive units have been fixed and the "rumors" like a door handles decides to stop working is NOT a $800 repair visit but a $5 micro switch that takes about 30min to 1 hr to do.

There's a DIY section on TMC and also a HUGH aftermarket of wrecked cars where parts are plentiful and cheap in the for sale section. I bought my 2nd slave charger and did it myself for $500 (not the $2000 the SC wants) so don't worry about the reliability of the car.

These things are tanks and enjoy the ride! Come up now to a meet! :D
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:17 pm

JasonA wrote:As for the reliability, don't listen or read those old TMC posts, they're just that...OLD. The new parts and drive units have been fixed and the "rumors" like a door handles decides to stop working is NOT a $800 repair visit but a $5 micro switch that takes about 30min to 1 hr to do.

The door handles is definitely a concern for me as my warranty will be 2 years. After that I am on my own. Where is the DIY section? I am doubting that I have the know how to fix a door handle, even with specific instructions.

My other concern is failure of the MCU ($4,000) but not sure how frequently that happens. However,I saw a post from Ingineer that he could fix the problem much cheaper. Other than that model S, looks pretty solid.

These things are tanks and enjoy the ride! Come up now to a meet! :D

Where/when are you meeting?
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:44 pm

I purchased our S on the TMC forum from a member and it had 19k miles on it in Dec, now I have 31k and have no intentions of getting the ext warranty after 50k clicks over (see my pasted pic below)..

Anyways, with the support and everything on TMC and how little goes wrong with these cars I don't feel it's worth it, plus you still have the drivetrain warranty that covers the MCU. And I've heard good things about the SC's just replacing them anyways.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fix-your-door-that-wont-open.72466/

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Anyways, next meet is listed in the socal thread
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:07 am

cwerdna wrote:
keydiver wrote:It is also why Elon said that any Teslas made since May/June 2015 should have a 1,000,000 mile drivetrain.

Source?
keydiver wrote:Do you know if your drive unit has ever been replaced? Tesla got that problem sorted out >2 years ago, which is why you hear very little about it anymore.

Maybe. I haven't had time to follow much on "TMC" anymore.

Some examples past of DUs from after May/June 2015...
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1409450 - "front drive unit fail on our second day of ownership back in December 2015"
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1302441 - Dec '15 delivery, developed noise after 1000 miles
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1811020 - rear DU failed - delivered 12/2015 (https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2088063 says late Nov 2015 production)
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... led.78593/ - took delivery in Sep 2016, verdict at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1774189, rear DU failed
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1891415 - posted 12/28/2016, says his car is 3 months old. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1892533 - his replacement dies 15 miles from the service center.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ion.91000/ - delivery sometime in 2017. If you skip to the end, they said they're going to replace the DU.

Since keydiver never answered, I'll try. Gotta love the Tesla hype machine.

http://www.hybridcars.com/tesla-touts-m ... owertrain/ which alludes to a blog entry at https://web.archive.org/web/20150824204 ... ee-dog-day from July 17, 2015
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https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1088221 and https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1088272 were two reactions.

Clearly, from the examples given of deliveries from after that day, it seems they've not met that goal yet.

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:49 am

Found out today my CPO Tesla had the drive unit replaced last year with the Q-revision, so hopefully won't run into any noise problems. Two rear door handles have been replaced, maybe less to go wrong in the future. In-service date 7/30/13 so when I get my Tesla it will have about 4 years warranty left on drive unit and battery. Definitely getting excited about delivery, which is estimated to be 4-5 weeks.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:57 am

Stoaty wrote:I am seriously thinking about buying a used Tesla Model S 85 (non-P) from Tesla.com and have a couple of questions after doing a test drive in a new P100D:

Panoramic roof - does it give extra headroom or just feel that way? Pro or con?
Pro/con on Smart Air Suspension - I have heard it is expensive to repair if it fails, may not make much difference, although abasile recommended it to me
Are earliest models (2012 or early 2013) more likely to have problems?
Would you be concerned about high mileage, and if so over what level? The battery and drive warranty is the remaining portion of 8 years, but unlimited miles.
Any other suggestions?

I am getting tired of the extra hassle with my 2011 Leaf with 30% capacity loss and even shorter range than new.

Thanks.


no response on questions but the latest round of CPO offerings from Tesla has opened avenues for me as well. The problem (as it has been most of the time) is the timing is not good for me. I am hoping Tesla will continue this trend of cut rate pricing on high mileage vehicles.

I feel that these cars have stood the test of time and most manufactured defects will have already manifested itself. These should turn out to be great deals!
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:08 am

cwerdna wrote:^^^^
BTW, http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-s-batt ... n-america/ was taken awhile ago. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... a-suggests might be worth reading, even if you ignore the 2/3rds assertions.

As a general rule, I tend to shy away from cars with below average overall reliability ratings. The chart at the bottom of http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012 ... /index.htm is what the average problem rate is for each system for a given model year over the past 12 months period (which is what their survey covers).

To be fair, the 3 guys w/so many DU replacements were probably the most extreme, but it doesn't seem uncommon to find folks on "TMC" who've had at least 1 DU replacement. Maybe they finally got it right w/revision Q?


Tesla's lack of quality has always been on my mind but how many repeat issues have we had? I also know several with Tesla's who had their in the shop at least twice for issues early in their ownership but have been ok since. These high mileage CPO's I would think have had the bugs addressed long ago.

Another thing I noticed is a lot of shop issues are centered around the high tech coolness features the cars had that were probably rushed out. One had 3 of his 4 doors, the handles stopped responding. So kinda little stuff.

Plus I have to think that Tesla wants this program to work and a large number of issues gets around fast these days so would have to think these cars were refined before being put back out again which brings me right back to what I have contended all along.

In the movie "Revenge of the Electric Car" it was pretty apparent to me that Tesla rushed cars to market in order to satisfy their creditors, not their customers. I think this still remained well after their creditors were paid off.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:36 am

Re: the 1 million mile drivetrain BS, gotta love how Electrek and a fanboy have made the leap below... :roll:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... buy.93382/

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2177917 is a good assessment of what happened. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2177809 is a good reaction.

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