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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:37 pm

what's amazing is the shorts machine keeps getting shorter.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:22 pm

Tesla's S falls short in occupant safety among this group of large cars tested by the IIHS:

Tesla Fights Back Against Rating That Knocks Model S Safety

Tesla (TSLA) was fighting back Thursday against a report by an auto-insurance funded group saying its Model S sedan did not gain the top safety score after a series of crash tests.

The declaration deprived Tesla of IIHS's top safety honor. Instead, Tesla received only an "acceptable" rating in a test that presents the type of crash that occurs when the front driver-side corner of a vehicle hits a tree or utility pole or collides with another vehicle, known as the small overlap front test. It was one of five crash tests, with Tesla receiving a top rating in the other four....

Of six large cars the IIHS tested, three received the top safety rating. They were the Lincoln Continental made by Ford Motor (F), the Mercedes-Benz E-Class from Daimler (DDAIF)and the Avalon built by Toyota Motor (TM).

Of the three other cars tested, the Model S, Chevrolet Impala by General Motors (GM) and Ford Taurus "fell short of any award because they each earn only an acceptable rating in the small overlap front test," the IIHS said.

http://www.investors.com/news/technolog ... rc=AURLABO

And another report shows much higher collision rate, claims frequency, and cost of claims, for the S than for other luxury cars:

Tesla Model S has higher insurance losses than other large luxury cars

When it comes to insurance losses, the Tesla Model S is an outlier. The luxury sedan has higher claim frequencies and is costlier to fix than gasoline-powered large luxury cars...

In comparison, the Model S had higher claim frequencies, higher claim severities and higher overall losses than other large luxury cars. Under collision coverage, for example, analysts estimated that the Model S's mileage-adjusted claim frequency was 37 percent higher than the comparison group, claim severity was 64 percent higher, and overall losses were 124 percent higher...

Under collision and property damage liability coverages, the seven electric vehicles with exact conventional counterparts had lower claim frequencies and higher claim severities than their comparison vehicles. When analysts controlled for mileage in the claim frequency analysis, the differences in the frequency benefits declined but were still significant. The Leaf largely followed the same pattern but had lower claim severities compared with the Versa.

In comparison, the Model S had higher claim frequencies, higher claim severities and higher overall losses than other large luxury cars. Under collision coverage, for example, analysts estimated that the Model S's mileage-adjusted claim frequency was 37 percent higher than the comparison group, claim severity was 64 percent higher, and overall losses were 124 percent higher...

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/52/4/4
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:18 am

What took them so long?

Given the modest increase in production cost, and the significant benefits in performance and efficiency, it just doesn't make sense to build 2wd BEVS, other than as low-priced entry-level models.

At ~$75k fully loaded more affordable model 3 will probably cost about the same as the new base model of the affordable S...

Tesla says it will discontinue the cheapest version of its Model S prior to the launch of the Model 3.

It’s still available to order now, for delivery in September, but it won’t be around for long.

We’ve received word that tesla will discontinue the cheapest version of the Model S, the rear wheel drive 75.

This move will put more distance (in terms of price) between the upcoming ~$35,000 Model 3 and the Model S.

The RWD 75 Model S starts at $69,500. Eliminating this version will push the base price of the Model S up to $74,500.

Additionally, by doing away with the RWD 75 Model S, neither the Model S nor the Model X will offer RWD versions. It’s dual-motor, AWD from here on out for the S and X.

Tesla has a history of discontinuing its cheapest models. Just a few months back, Tesla eliminated the Model S 60 kWh. In just for months or so, the cost for entry into a Model S jumped from ~$66,000 to nearly $75,000 once the RWD 75 disappears...

http://insideevs.com/tesla-will-discont ... h-model-3/
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:15 pm

Via GCR:
Tesla Model S climbs back to top of Consumer Reports safety ratings
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/111 ... ty-ratings

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:49 am

Got my 2013 CPO Tesla model S five days ago. Takes a bit of learning to figure out how to do simple things (like vent the sunroof or close it), but overall not a problem. Love the car with one huge exception: the seats are (for me) the worst I have ever encountered either driving or riding in any car. They rate a 1 or 2 on a scale of 10 (which is the rating I give for 2011 Leaf, third generation Prius and 2002 Camry V6). The seats are very hard, have little give, and no matter how I adjust them (including lumbar support) they hurt my back and my butt within 20 minutes. I didn't notice a problem on the test drive of a new Tesla, either because the seats were better or because the drive was short and the excitement level high.

I have little padding on my frame, which could be part of the problem. I looked for solutions and saw several possibilities including Wet Okole seats, iRelax the Back seat cushion for Tesla, replacement seats at $6,000 which might or might not improve the problem, a seat and butt cushion for Tesla at Relax the Back store for $290. I got moderate relief so far by taking a pillow from my bed and putting it on the seat back. Saw (after purchase) that other people have complained about this. Anyone here have similar problems and a solution? Why do all the cheap cars I have ridden in have comfortable seats and a premium car like Tesla can't come close to matching them???

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:22 am

Stoaty wrote:Got my 2013 CPO Tesla model S five days ago. Takes a bit of learning to figure out how to do simple things (like vent the sunroof or close it), but overall not a problem. Love the car with one huge exception: the seats are (for me) the worst I have ever encountered either driving or riding in any car.

Congratulations on your Model S!

I'm so sorry to learn that the seats aren't working for you! (You have the leather seats, right?) They've been great for everyone in our family, better than any other car we've had, and we're all relatively lean. But I understand that what may be a perfect fit for some people, ergonomically and otherwise, can sometimes be a nightmare for others. While I don't have any suggestions, I truly hope you'll be able to find a good solution that's not terribly expensive.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:55 am

abasile wrote:I'm so sorry to learn that the seats aren't working for you! (You have the leather seats, right?)

Yes, I have the leather seats. My (twin) brother agrees with me about how bad the seats are--must be genetic. :o :shock:
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:53 pm

Stoaty wrote:
abasile wrote:I'm so sorry to learn that the seats aren't working for you! (You have the leather seats, right?)

Yes, I have the leather seats. My (twin) brother agrees with me about how bad the seats are--must be genetic. :o :shock:

Hmmm, neither me, nor my wife have had any issues with the seats in either our Model S or Model X.
Did you get the 'next gen' seats? These were offered for a year or so. They were meant to be designed for the performance models. I didn't like them as they seemed too hard to me. I believe they don't offer them anymore and I would think they would have been noticed on your test drive.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:16 pm

Zythryn wrote:Hmmm, neither me, nor my wife have had any issues with the seats in either our Model S or Model X. Did you get the 'next gen' seats?

No, I have a 2013 CPO with the original seats.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:10 pm

Stoaty wrote: Love the car


That's great! Enjoy.

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