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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 01, 2017 8:00 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:For a fraction of what a model S will cost you can just rent a car for those longer road trips, and likely find it's a far more satisfactory solution.

While we are quite satisfied with the capabilities of our Model S on road trips, I agree that it would not be an efficient use of funds to purchase a Model S just to use it on a few road trips per year.

However, longer-range EVs are also great for more regular, regional driving. It takes real dedication, and multiple CHAdeMO or CCS DC charging stops, to use a short-range EV to cross from one side of the SoCal sprawl to the other. With our Tesla, we can go pretty far before we even have to think about charging, and on those less frequent occasions when we do have to stop to charge, we've found the Superchargers to be without parallel. Our Tesla also turns out to be a very comfortable car for longer drives, at least in our opinion.

This isn't to knock our LEAF, as it remains useful for short, local drives.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sun May 07, 2017 6:53 am

Graffi wrote:A year ago I surprised my wife by setting up a test drive in a Tesla Model S here at the San Diego showroom. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE our Leaf and if anything ever happened to it we would gladly get another. However, we do take long road trips throughout the year, with several LONG ones during each summer. A 2-week (or 3-week) cross-country trip of from 7,000 to 9,000 miles; a 1-week trip of about 2,500 to 3,500 miles; and several shorter trips of 1,200 miles or less. Anyway, she fell in love with the Tesla and made me sign up for the Model 3 that evening.

Now, a year later, we are thinking that we would be better off with a Model S, 85 Kwh or greater, and anywhere from 2013 to 2015 Model year. I would be happy with any, but my wife wants the dark blue. I have kept my eyes open to Craigslist San Diego lately but think there must be a better source. The closer we get to our departure date (8-weeks from now) the more we want to make the long cross-country trip in our NEW (used) Blue Tesla S. We are thinking that we need the larger capacity battery, Tech Package (Auto pilot, auto parking - my wife really loved this one), and the white leather interior.

What I would love from others that have been driving their Tesla S for a while, even on long trips, is your recommendations of:

1. What other sources can I find used Tesla's for sale.

2. What features should we get: Must have, Should have, Would be nice to have, Don't need. Is any Model year preferred over another?

3. Budget I should need for the various Model Year, mileage, and options included.

4. What trip planning tools does Tesla have that will not only get us to our destinations, but plan our Super-Charger station stops. Does it give up to date access and availability?

5. Any other recommendations you think we would need when searching for our new EV.

Thank you all for your assistance in this matter.


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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 08, 2017 9:21 am

abasile wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:For a fraction of what a model S will cost you can just rent a car for those longer road trips, and likely find it's a far more satisfactory solution.

While we are quite satisfied with the capabilities of our Model S on road trips, I agree that it would not be an efficient use of funds to purchase a Model S just to use it on a few road trips per year.

However, longer-range EVs are also great for more regular, regional driving. It takes real dedication, and multiple CHAdeMO or CCS DC charging stops, to use a short-range EV to cross from one side of the SoCal sprawl to the other. With our Tesla, we can go pretty far before we even have to think about charging, and on those less frequent occasions when we do have to stop to charge, we've found the Superchargers to be without parallel. Our Tesla also turns out to be a very comfortable car for longer drives, at least in our opinion.

This isn't to knock our LEAF, as it remains useful for short, local drives.


Many thanks to everyone, both here and on the Tesla site.

Last week we visited the local Tesla store in San Diego to get further info on what options were available when and other data. We used the computer to build our Ideal Model S, as well as search the CPO older versions. Considering the rebates on purchasing a new one, plus the Autopilot V 2.0, it was worth it to us to get a new one for $20k more than a used one with less capability and 30,000 to 40,000 miles on it already.

Anyway, they found us a new one in Denver, CO. with 900 miles on it (used for giving test drives) with a $7,100 discount. Oh, and this one does have FREE lifetime SC usage. It is a 75D, Pearl White, with lots of good options, nothing missing that we wanted (it has both Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability already paid for). My wife decided she likes it. We found out we could save $2,000 delivery cost and $1,000 in sales taxes by picking it up in Denver. I went online and found a one-way ticket for $42 each. A friend of mine is flying to Denver next month on the same airline and he already got his ticket a few weeks ago for around $450, although I think his is round-trip, Still a lot more expensive than our $84.

Now we have a 13 hour drive back to San Diego, plus Super Charger stops for recharge. As it is now, when we take road trips we stop for 15 to 20 minutes every 1.5 to 2 hours already for potty breaks and stretching. This way, all our stops will be at the SC stations, not truck stops.

My wife had already planned one week off of work for 5/15 through 5/19. I teach a class on Mon/Wed nights, and she is taking a class Monday nights, so we are flying out at 6:20am Tuesday, Going to the Denver Tesla service center to pick it up, as well as coaching, then leave Denver for our trip home sometime around 2pm. That should get us through the east Los Angeles traffic by early morning before it gets too bad, and home before 6am Wednesday. Anyway, that still gives me 12 hours before I teach the class, so plenty of time if it takes us longer getting home.

Then early morning Friday we leave for Disneyland, another 200+ mile round trip with the kids and grandkids. For Memorial weekend the next Friday we are going to San Francisco Bay area for another trip of over 1,000 miles. We are really looking forward to the stress free driving of the autopilot.

We do LOVE our Leaf and will keep it for many years to come. It will remain our preferred local driver but the Tesla will be our go-to vehicle for longer drives. We are so excited. Now for the learning process so we can fully enjoy all the benefits. Is it reasonable to assume that we can get up to 1,000,000 miles on the Tesla before we wear it out??? That gets the amortization cost down to only $0.10 per mile and $0.05 per mile for electricity (half that or less with SC charging). Maybe another $0.05 per mile for maintenance. Still less than the cost of gas for ICE vehicles.

Now for home charging. We do have the AV 240v, 30a unit for the Leaf. It will be okay to use it, but I was thinking of installing another 50a breaker on the panel and installing a 240v, NEMA 14-50 outlet for the Tesla EVSE included with the car. The electrical panel is outside the garage so I can install it on the inside wall at the panel. Any thoughts? Should I be looking for a larger amp breaker and connection? We have a 200 amp panel, with a 5kw solar system.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 08, 2017 11:13 am

Graffi wrote:Anyway, they found us a new one in Denver, CO. with 900 miles on it (used for giving test drives) with a $7,100 discount. Oh, and this one does have FREE lifetime SC usage. It is a 75D, Pearl White, with lots of good options, nothing missing that we wanted (it has both Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability already paid for). My wife decided she likes it. We found out we could save $2,000 delivery cost and $1,000 in sales taxes by picking it up in Denver.

Congratulations! That appears to be a great buy! Are you able to get another $1K off by using an existing owner's referral code? Plenty of us on the forums would be more than happy to share our codes... :mrgreen:

I don't know how you can save $1K in sales tax, though. Won't you have to pay an equivalent amount in "use tax" when you register the car in California?

Graffi wrote:Is it reasonable to assume that we can get up to 1,000,000 miles on the Tesla before we wear it out??? That gets the amortization cost down to only $0.10 per mile and $0.05 per mile for electricity (half that or less with SC charging). Maybe another $0.05 per mile for maintenance. Still less than the cost of gas for ICE vehicles.

I guess I wouldn't be that optimistic. I wouldn't recommend buying a Tesla as a way to save money. You buy it because it's a great car that's a joy to own and contributes to a better future. While it's Tesla's design goal to have their drivetrains last a million miles, they aren't yet known for having anywhere near that level of reliability. If anything, aside from the LEAF's lousy battery capacity loss, I'd say that the LEAF is generally a more reliable car. On the other hand, I've found Tesla's service to be phenomenal!
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 08, 2017 1:54 pm

When asked if I had a referral code I said there were plenty to choose from but no one specific. The person at the Tesla store said no problem, they had some from their customers so we used one of those.

Believe me, we did not get it to save money, but in the long run I believe we will. I have always been very easy on my cars and generally keep then long past their expected life and usually end up donating them or turning them into an auto recycle place. We expect this Tesla to be in the family long after both myself and my wife are passed on.

We will be driving this car over 3,000 miles in the first two weeks, so getting lots of use out of the Supercharger network. Then two weeks later, we will start this summer's cross-country trip of over two weeks and 7,000+ miles. By the end of summer we will probably be close to 15,000 miles on her. My wife has already named her "Pearl". Our Leaf is "Graffi", and our bright blue Lancer is called "Bebe", B-B for bright blue.

When I mentioned to my wife that this will be a nice "chick magnet" for me, she countered that it will be much better "stud magnet" for her.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Mon May 08, 2017 5:44 pm

Via IEVS:
Tesla Autopilot Update Bumps Autosteer Speed Up To 90 MPH
http://insideevs.com/tesla-autopilot-up ... ed-90-mph/

90 mph is on-highways; everywhere else it's speed limit +5 mph.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed May 10, 2017 11:58 am

GRA wrote:90 mph is on-highways; everywhere is it's speed limit +5 mph.
Prior to this update, it was limited to 35 MPH off highways.

This will be a nice improvement; much of my commute is a non-highway with stretches of 50MPH (I typically use the LEAF 3-4 days a week, and the Tesla the others).
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed May 10, 2017 1:04 pm

jlv wrote:
GRA wrote:90 mph is on-highways; everywhere is it's speed limit +5 mph.
Prior to this update, it was limited to 35 MPH off highways.

This will be a nice improvement; much of my commute is a non-highway with stretches of 50MPH (I typically use the LEAF 3-4 days a week, and the Tesla the others).


Our vehicle list will be almost like yours: 2013 Leaf SL, right at 50,000 miles; Tesla S 75D will be picked up next Tuesday, 5/16/17, in Denver then drive back to San Diego; Tesla Model 3 on order, now at a higher priority, LOL. Our Leaf will remain our Primary daily driver for commute and local driving, only taking the Tesla Model S when further range is needed. Our 2012 ICE will be passed on to one of the kids. It still looks new, with just over 50,000 miles on it, although we have been using it for trips, but the Leaf is our go-to driver for all local driving.

Our Leaf just lost the first bar last week at 49,600 miles, we still get 60 miles at 80% and 80 miles at 100%. We are almost ready to replace the front tires, OEM, the back tires look to have another 10,000 miles left. I think we lucked out with our Leaf. Plus we are very gentle with our vehicles.

If I have not said it enough, WE LOVE OUR LEAF!!! If anything ever happens to it, I think we will get another one, even though we now will have a Tesla. It is so nice for all local driving. That being said, we are very excited about having the Tesla S. Just at the start of our touring season. I will not be surprised if we have over 15,000 miles on it by the end of summer. We expect to have over 3,000 miles in less than two weeks, over 10,000 miles by end of July 4 holiday, the rest in July, but most in August. Prior to this, we always rented a car for our long trips, but now we will just use our Tesla.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Thu May 18, 2017 8:42 am

Graffi wrote:
abasile wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:For a fraction of what a model S will cost you can just rent a car for those longer road trips, and likely find it's a far more satisfactory solution.

While we are quite satisfied with the capabilities of our Model S on road trips, I agree that it would not be an efficient use of funds to purchase a Model S just to use it on a few road trips per year.

However, longer-range EVs are also great for more regular, regional driving. It takes real dedication, and multiple CHAdeMO or CCS DC charging stops, to use a short-range EV to cross from one side of the SoCal sprawl to the other. With our Tesla, we can go pretty far before we even have to think about charging, and on those less frequent occasions when we do have to stop to charge, we've found the Superchargers to be without parallel. Our Tesla also turns out to be a very comfortable car for longer drives, at least in our opinion.

This isn't to knock our LEAF, as it remains useful for short, local drives.


Many thanks to everyone, both here and on the Tesla site.

Last week we visited the local Tesla store in San Diego to get further info on what options were available when and other data. We used the computer to build our Ideal Model S, as well as search the CPO older versions. Considering the rebates on purchasing a new one, plus the Autopilot V 2.0, it was worth it to us to get a new one for $20k more than a used one with less capability and 30,000 to 40,000 miles on it already.

Anyway, they found us a new one in Denver, CO. with 900 miles on it (used for giving test drives) with a $7,100 discount. Oh, and this one does have FREE lifetime SC usage. It is a 75D, Pearl White, with lots of good options, nothing missing that we wanted (it has both Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability already paid for). My wife decided she likes it. We found out we could save $2,000 delivery cost and $1,000 in sales taxes by picking it up in Denver. I went online and found a one-way ticket for $42 each. A friend of mine is flying to Denver next month on the same airline and he already got his ticket a few weeks ago for around $450, although I think his is round-trip, Still a lot more expensive than our $84.

Now we have a 13 hour drive back to San Diego, plus Super Charger stops for recharge. As it is now, when we take road trips we stop for 15 to 20 minutes every 1.5 to 2 hours already for potty breaks and stretching. This way, all our stops will be at the SC stations, not truck stops.

My wife had already planned one week off of work for 5/15 through 5/19. I teach a class on Mon/Wed nights, and she is taking a class Monday nights, so we are flying out at 6:20am Tuesday, Going to the Denver Tesla service center to pick it up, as well as coaching, then leave Denver for our trip home sometime around 2pm. That should get us through the east Los Angeles traffic by early morning before it gets too bad, and home before 6am Wednesday. Anyway, that still gives me 12 hours before I teach the class, so plenty of time if it takes us longer getting home.

Then early morning Friday we leave for Disneyland, another 200+ mile round trip with the kids and grandkids. For Memorial weekend the next Friday we are going to San Francisco Bay area for another trip of over 1,000 miles. We are really looking forward to the stress free driving of the autopilot.

We do LOVE our Leaf and will keep it for many years to come. It will remain our preferred local driver but the Tesla will be our go-to vehicle for longer drives. We are so excited. Now for the learning process so we can fully enjoy all the benefits. Is it reasonable to assume that we can get up to 1,000,000 miles on the Tesla before we wear it out??? That gets the amortization cost down to only $0.10 per mile and $0.05 per mile for electricity (half that or less with SC charging). Maybe another $0.05 per mile for maintenance. Still less than the cost of gas for ICE vehicles.

Now for home charging. We do have the AV 240v, 30a unit for the Leaf. It will be okay to use it, but I was thinking of installing another 50a breaker on the panel and installing a 240v, NEMA 14-50 outlet for the Tesla EVSE included with the car. The electrical panel is outside the garage so I can install it on the inside wall at the panel. Any thoughts? Should I be looking for a larger amp breaker and connection? We have a 200 amp panel, with a 5kw solar system.


guessing you are back now. How was the trip?

**edit* opps, read calendar wrong.... so how is it going so far? ;)
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Thu May 18, 2017 8:44 am

abasile wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:For a fraction of what a model S will cost you can just rent a car for those longer road trips, and likely find it's a far more satisfactory solution.

While we are quite satisfied with the capabilities of our Model S on road trips, I agree that it would not be an efficient use of funds to purchase a Model S just to use it on a few road trips per year.

However, longer-range EVs are also great for more regular, regional driving. It takes real dedication, and multiple CHAdeMO or CCS DC charging stops, to use a short-range EV to cross from one side of the SoCal sprawl to the other. With our Tesla, we can go pretty far before we even have to think about charging, and on those less frequent occasions when we do have to stop to charge, we've found the Superchargers to be without parallel. Our Tesla also turns out to be a very comfortable car for longer drives, at least in our opinion.

This isn't to knock our LEAF, as it remains useful for short, local drives.


For the elevation challenges you have, I have to say the LEAF is simply not gonna work....yet
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