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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:30 am

Don't leave your Model S fob at home if you will be driving out of cellular range: Tesla driver stranded in the desert after smartphone app failure:
Telegraph wrote:"Six miles down the road we decided to turn back, but before that, had to adjust Mozy & Millie's car bed, so I exited the vehicle...bad idea," Negri said on Instagram. "Need to restart the car now, but, with no cell service, my phone can't connect to the car to unlock it."
It sounds like a very good idea as a backup, but a terrible idea as the primary control for the car.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:07 pm

Electric4Me wrote:I've followed Tesla since its inception and fully intended to buy a Model S... But the Leaf has stolen my heart, at least for now! That and the S is too big to fit into my garage well. I'm just not crazy about big cars. The Leaf price sure helps a lot too!


With the lower price on the 60KWH S I could afford one but it is just too big for me. My compact eGolf fills my needs. I have a reservation on a Tesla 3. It may turn out to be the right size for me. I really hope Tesla does not go broke and it is produced. I measured my garage and the S would fit and I realize it has to be large to fit the batteries but it is not for me.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:58 pm

Now that unlimited free Supercharging has ended for new car orders, Tesla has just begun to offer the much-expected 100D model, with a 335 mile EPA range, for $3000 more than the 90D (EPA range 294 miles). I would expect the 90D model to be phased out once the battery packs are used up.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:06 pm

GlennD wrote:With the lower price on the 60KWH S I could afford one but it is just too big for me. My compact eGolf fills my needs. I have a reservation on a Tesla 3. It may turn out to be the right size for me. I really hope Tesla does not go broke and it is produced. I measured my garage and the S would fit and I realize it has to be large to fit the batteries but it is not for me.
I was concerned about the size of the Model S but once I got one I found that I enjoyed the storage space and greatly preferred it to the Model 3, based on what we know about the 3. However, I went from two cars crammed in a two car garage to just one car, and it is wonderful having all that extra space in my garage for the first time. I also live in an area where parking tends not to be crowded and finding parking space for the large S is quite easy, so no need to worry about cramming a large car into cramped parking spaces (and there are hordes of gigantic trucks and SUVs here anyway). So, kind of a special case compared to the situation of others.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:16 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:Now that unlimited free Supercharging has ended for new car orders, Tesla has just begun to offer the much-expected 100D model, with a 335 mile EPA range, for $3000 more than the 90D. I would expect the 90D model to be phased out once the battery packs are used up.

Now that we've got the actual number, let's see how Tony's and my range predictions from last August measured up:

TonyWilliams wrote:
GRA wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:The EPA miles of the closest comparison cars are:

270 miles - P90D

294 miles - 90D

Using the ratio of 294 / 270 = 1.0888, therefore I expect the Tesla Model S-100D to get:

1.0888 * 315 = 343 miles EPA

I'm assuming a bit less owing to the higher weight.

It weighs 4% more for 11% plus in stored energy. That's about 50 pounds, nearly insignificant for highway range. The battery has gotten 17% bigger with the 18650 cells. I expect another 5 -10% improvement just by switching to the 2170 cells.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:46 pm

GRA wrote:...Now that we've got the actual number, let's see how Tony's and my range predictions from last August measured up...

Did anyone predict the base price...?

...Tesla has just launched the 335-mile Model S 100D at a starting price of $95,800 (plus destination) or $92,500 (plus destination) if you remove the pre-selected, upgraded interior...

http://insideevs.com/tesla-launches-mod ... -at-95800/
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:56 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
GRA wrote:...Now that we've got the actual number, let's see how Tony's and my range predictions from last August measured up...

Did anyone predict the base price...?

...Tesla has just launched the 335-mile Model S 100D at a starting price of $95,800 (plus destination) or $92,500 (plus destination) if you remove the pre-selected, upgraded interior...

http://insideevs.com/tesla-launches-mod ... -at-95800/

Other than it being higher than the S90D, I don't remember if anyone made a specific prediction.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:12 pm

I expect another 5 -10% improvement just by switching to the 2170 cells.


Bad assumption.... they are still using 18650s.

102.5kWh = 8256 cells * (3400mah * 3.65v nominal)

96 in series - 86 in parallel
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:14 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:
I expect another 5 -10% improvement just by switching to the 2170 cells.


Bad assumption.... they are still using 18650s.<snip>

It seems they're holding the 2170s for the Model 3, at least for now. I'd think it would take a very thorough redesign of the Model S/X pack to go to the bigger cells. Maybe it will happen after they get the Model 3/Y in production. I think Musk's recent statement that they're going to stop at 100kWh isn't a very good idea, as even the S100D is just barely capable of meeting a 4 hours plus 30 mile reserve range, @ 70 mph with no HVAC use with a brand new battery, and falls short at higher speeds, different temps with HVAC, less than 100% charge, etc. I expect other companies will introduce bigger packs as soon as they're available. At some point in the next couple of years Tesla will have to start competing with others, instead of having the field to themselves as has been the case thus far (Bolt aside). Of course, that assumes they'll still be around as an (independent) company, which I imagine depends on getting the Model 3 out on time (or at least a lot closer than they've managed in the past).
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:18 pm

S200D is just barely capable of meeting a 8 hours plus 60 mile reserve range, @ 70 mph with no HVAC use with a brand new battery, and falls short at higher speeds, different temps with HVAC, less than 100% charge, etc.
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