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Re: Tesla Model S

Sun May 08, 2011 8:38 pm

TRONZ wrote:The company that owns the EV market will be investing heavily in battery production facilities and putting these batteries in cool, affordable, mass produced car(s). So far, this is Nissan and the Leaf (+ the three other Nissan EV's currently in the pipeline). I like Tesla but they need to do more then just string together thousands of cell phone batteries to make a pack. Until they come up with a higher tech battery and the facilities to produce it, Tesla will be on shaky ground.

When it comes to electric cars, the batteries are EVERYTHING!!! Car companies can ignore this fact at their peril!


Right on, TRONZ....Batteries are, by far, the major component/cost in an EV.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Sun May 08, 2011 9:15 pm

TRONZ wrote:When it comes to electric cars, the batteries are EVERYTHING!!! Car companies can ignore this fact at their peril!


Tesla uses commodity bateries to benefit from economies of scale. Cheaper storage with more road testing. Proprietary solutions may catch up at some point, but maybe not. With the most expensive thing about these cars being the battery, their approach may be the one that ultimately wins. It certainly is cheaper in the short term.

I put a deposit down on a Model S.

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Re: Tesla Model S

Sun May 08, 2011 9:33 pm

reeler wrote: Tesla uses commodity bateries to benefit from economies of scale. Cheaper storage with more road testing. Proprietary solutions may catch up at some point, but maybe not. With the most expensive thing about these cars being the battery, their approach may be the one that ultimately wins. It certainly is cheaper in the short term.

Tesla is doing what they can - they don't have the resources to build their own battery technology. They compensate for the cheap consumer batteries with expensive thermal management ...
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Re: Tesla Model S

Sun May 08, 2011 10:09 pm

Here are my photos from the Tesla Model S tour
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Re: Tesla Model S

Fri May 13, 2011 9:01 pm

I too saw Model S 'Alpha' on Monday, last day in Seattle before the car went to Vancuver BC. I cancelled my reservation after found out about $49K -160 miles range. :cry: $79K - 300 miles. And I'm not to thrill about 17" screen either (gets old quick). No test drive until Beta version comes out in October.
There will be more electric luxury sedan built. I can certianly wait for it.

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Re: Tesla Model S

Fri May 27, 2011 6:41 am

I had not seen this image before laying out the plan for the Model S platform. I knew they planned on the crossover car based on the same platform, but I did not know about the cabrio or the van.

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Re: Tesla Model S

Fri May 27, 2011 7:43 am

For Colorado, I need a Leaf with a cold weather package and a little more range would be nice. I need to be able to drive the 45 miles from downtown Denver to Breckenridge, which is 65 mph and uphill. I don't think the Leaf will do that on a cold day with a single charge.

For now, I'll leave my my $5K with Tesla waiting for a Model S.

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Re: Tesla Model S

Fri May 27, 2011 9:31 am

reeler wrote:I need to be able to drive the 45 miles from downtown Denver to Breckenridge, which is 65 mph and uphill. I don't think the Leaf will do that on a cold day with a single charge.
You mean one way right? Once people start taking delivery of cold weather package Leaf and using it in colder climates we would certainly have a better idea. I think it would make it by using cabin and battery preheat right before the journey. Reducing the speed of the journey below 65, even by a couple of miles, can certainly help too.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Fri May 27, 2011 10:36 am

reeler wrote:For Colorado, I need a Leaf with a cold weather package and a little more range would be nice. I need to be able to drive the 45 miles from downtown Denver to Breckenridge, which is 65 mph and uphill. I don't think the Leaf will do that on a cold day with a single charge.

No - you won't get 90 miles at 65 mph and heater. Infact, you will get less than 70 miles.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Mon May 30, 2011 7:32 am

At 65 MPH, I was getting a range of between 60-70 miles in San Diego, which is generally flat, but has a many little canyons as you travel the freeways. In winter in Colorado, an 45 mile one-way commute uphill with the heater running at the 65 MPH speed limit might be cutting it close.

Maybe I could make it without passengers and the heater not running and going a little slower, but I would rather have more range to use a Leaf for that drive.

Does anyone know if the Leaf will have an option for more battery? The trunk well has plenty of room for a second battery. As an option, it could be an response to Tesla's range options. Frankly, the Leaf is more my style with the Tesla being too flashy.

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