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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:20 am

cwerdna wrote:Regarding the above Model S fire....

Chevy Offers Loaner Bolt To Couple Who Lost Tesla Model S To Fire
https://insideevs.com/chevy-offers-loan ... s-to-fire/
:mrgreen:

Is a Hollywood A-lister really interested in being seen in a Bolt?
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:25 am

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cwerdna wrote:Regarding the above Model S fire....

Chevy Offers Loaner Bolt To Couple Who Lost Tesla Model S To Fire
https://insideevs.com/chevy-offers-loan ... s-to-fire/
:mrgreen:

Is a Hollywood A-lister really interested in being seen in a Bolt?

You'd be surprised. Numerous celebrities drive or used to drive Priuses: https://priuschat.com/threads/list-of-c ... us.129181/.

Some of them just don't want to stand out, which they would if they drove something flashy.

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:32 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Regarding the above Model S fire....

Chevy Offers Loaner Bolt To Couple Who Lost Tesla Model S To Fire
https://insideevs.com/chevy-offers-loan ... s-to-fire/
:mrgreen:

Is a Hollywood A-lister really interested in being seen in a Bolt?

"Hollywood A-lister"? Never heard of either of them myself, but I imagine even "Hollywood A-lister" parents don't want to contemplate their kids being inside a Tesla when the pack ignites, so while they may not replace their S with a Bolt, I'd be surprised if they replace it with another Tesla...

Mary McCormack
... This is what happened to my husband and his car today. No accident,out of the blue, in traffic on Santa Monica Blvd. Thank you to the kind couple who flagged him down and told him to pull over. And thank god my three little girls weren’t in the car with him...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... california
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:33 am

^^^
Ditto. I'd never heard of that woman either.

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:56 am

cwerdna wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Regarding the above Model S fire....

Chevy Offers Loaner Bolt To Couple Who Lost Tesla Model S To Fire
https://insideevs.com/chevy-offers-loan ... s-to-fire/
:mrgreen:

Is a Hollywood A-lister really interested in being seen in a Bolt?

You'd be surprised. Numerous celebrities drive or used to drive Priuses: https://priuschat.com/threads/list-of-c ... us.129181/.

Some of them just don't want to stand out, which they would if they drove something flashy.


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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:24 pm

When will GM offer EV loaners to their customers whose cars burn up every year and are never covered in the media at a ratio that makes all EVs look like the gold standard for safety? No. Did not hurt that there is a personal connection to relative here from GM. The FUD goes on and on. Nothing worse than companies that pretend to be helping in opportunistic situations like this but don't do a thing for their own customers.

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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:38 pm

cwerdna wrote:^^^
Ditto. I'd never heard of that woman either.

Me neither, but I assumed that was my lack of awareness of pop culture. This is from a guy who thought "Fergie" was a distant member of the royal family.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:37 pm

More on the tragic accident last month, in which two teenagers who survived the crash were burned to death when they could not be rescued from the flaming model S.

Battery in fatal Florida Tesla crash reignited twice: NTSB report

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Tesla Inc Model S involved in a May 8 fatal high-speed crash in Florida reignited twice after firefighters extinguished a fire in the electric vehicle, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said in a preliminary report on Tuesday.

The report said the vehicle was traveling 116 miles (187 km) per hour seconds before it crashed into a metal light pole. The Fort Lauderdale Fire Department found the vehicle fully engulfed in flames and extinguished the vehicle fire using 200–300 gallons (around 750-1,100 liters) of water and foam, the NTSB said.

The report said during removal of the car from the scene, the battery reignited and was quickly extinguished. “Upon arrival at the storage yard, the battery reignited again,” the report said, and was again quickly put out.

Tesla declined to comment on the report, but has said its vehicles are much less likely to catch fire than gasoline-powered vehicles.

There have been other reported cases of crashed Tesla battery packs reigniting, including after a fatal Tesla crash in March in California.

In the California crash, the battery reignited five days after the crash in an impound lot and was extinguished by the San Mateo Fire Department.

NTSB said its investigation into the Florida crash that killed two teenagers in the vehicle “will also include examining the procedures used to extinguish the battery fire and to remove and store the car postcrash.”...

The NTSB said last week it was sending a technical specialist to review Tesla’s examination of a battery fire in West Hollywood, California after actress Mary McCormack posted a video of her husband’s Tesla emitting flames. No one was injured...

Earlier this year, the NTSB confirmed it was investigating an August 2017 Tesla battery fire in Lake Forest, California, after an owner lost control and ran the vehicle into his garage...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKBN1JM2UG

There is an obvious conflict between that report and on the TSLA fansite below on whether the car actually was speed limited on the day of the fatal crash:

Tesla dedicates new speed limiting feature to 18-yr-old who died in a Model S crash

...The automaker describes the feature in the update:

“Limit vehicle speed and acceleration with speed limit mode. Maximum vehicle speed can be set between 50-90 mph (80-145 km/h).”

When Tesla launched the feature, we speculated that it might be aimed at parents who let their kids drive their Tesla vehicles, which are considered quite powerful vehicles to be used as first cars by teenagers.

Now we learn that it’s likely what Tesla had in mind since they dedicated the new feature to Barrett Riley in the release notes...

Riley died last month after he crashed the Model S that his father bought him into a wall before the vehicle burst into flames. One of his two passengers, Edgar Monserratt Martinez, 18, also lost his life in the crash.

James Riley, Barrett’s father, bought a Tesla for his son because of the vehicle being known for its level of safety, said his aunt Pat Riley (via Sun Sentinel):

“My brother bought the car for my nephew because he wanted Barrett to be safe. He thought other cars were riskier because the gas could cause a fire. How ironic.”

The father was aware of his son’s lead foot and attempted to address the issue following the speeding ticket.

Knowing that Tesla’s loaner cars can’t go over 85 mph, James Riley reached out to Tesla to see if they could limit the top speed of his son’s car, which Tesla did on request...

https://electrek.co/2018/06/26/tesla-de ... l-s-crash/

TSLA battery fires, along with the high driver death rates suffered in model S and X vehicles, and other TSLA safety issues belong on a seperate thread.

However, the abusive behavior of a MNL moderator, EVDRIVER, makes this impossible:

Tesla's vehicle safety record

EVDRIVER

Ed, don't start unneeded threads specifically to start an agenda biased thread. You are getting out of hand with this stuff. This is a warning for you to take it back a notch. This thread is locked.


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I don't know what EVDRIVER meant by that " warning.", or how a thread could be "biased".

But I will point out that any TSLA apologists, and specifically for-profit entities like MNL, which take actions to conceal or misrepresent the facts of TSLA vehicles' safety record, could be exposing themselves to potential liability.

And, IMO whoever convinced those teenager's parents that the TSLA their kids died in was safe, is certainly morally culpable for their own contribution to their deaths.
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:02 pm

Local news coverage seems to confirm that TSLA's modification to limit the S's speed failed.

That, and the victim's relative's statements from the video, "...Why did the car catch fire and trap the boys?..." suggests this will likely be a very expensive legal matter for TSLA to resolve.

NTSB Preliminary Report: Tesla Hit Speed Of 116 MPH Before Lauderdale Crash That Killed 2

...Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday the Tesla Model S that crashed and burned May 8th in Fort Lauderdale was traveling at 116 miles per hour, three seconds before impact....

Two people were killed in the crash, the driver, 18-year-old Barrett Riley, and the front seat passenger 18-year-old Edgar Monserratt. The medical examiner ruled that Riley died of thermal injuries and Monserratt died of blunt force trauma and thermal injuries. Alexander Berry, 18, who was in the back seat, was ejected on impact. He was taken to Broward Health Medical Center.

CBS 4 News reported several weeks ago that Riley’s family said they modified the vehicle to only travel at a top speed of 85 miles per hour after Riley received a speeding ticket in March for going 112 miles per hour...

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/06/26/n ... -killed-2/
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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:55 am

edatoakrun wrote:
CBS 4 News reported several weeks ago that Riley’s family said they modified the vehicle to only travel at a top speed of 85 miles per hour after Riley received a speeding ticket in March for going 112 miles per hour...
Up until the firmware release this week with the new speed limiter, the only way I knew an owner could limit the speed was to put the car in valet mode, which limits it to 70 MPH. I'm not sure how they set a limit of 85.

Back to personal responsibility, if my son had gotten a speeding ticket for doing 112 MPH :!:, you can damn well be sure I wouldn't be letting him use the car at all anymore.
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