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Re: Tesla Model S

Mon May 30, 2011 8:20 am

The cheapest and most efficient method of extending BEV range is not loading each car with a half-ton or more of batteries (Tesla). The superior range-extender is equipping each car with a DC charge capability (LEAF) AND building a public DC fast-charge infrastructure.

If Nissan offered you a longer-range larger battery option, at huge expense, reducing miles driven per kWh, and degrading handling and interior space, would you actually consider it, if you knew you could alternately extend the range of your LEAF 50-70 miles just by stopping for a 20 minute DC charge?

The LEAF is a great car. but until you can fast charge it, it remains (as is every other BEV) incomplete.


reeler wrote:At 65 MPH, I was getting a range of between 60-70 miles in San Diego, which is generally flat, but has a many little canyons as you travel the freeways. In winter in Colorado, an 45 mile one-way commute uphill with the heater running at the 65 MPH speed limit might be cutting it close.

Maybe I could make it without passengers and the heater not running and going a little slower, but I would rather have more range to use a Leaf for that drive.

Does anyone know if the Leaf will have an option for more battery? The trunk well has plenty of room for a second battery. As an option, it could be an response to Tesla's range options. Frankly, the Leaf is more my style with the Tesla being too flashy.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Mon May 30, 2011 8:24 am

reeler wrote:Does anyone know if the Leaf will have an option for more battery? The trunk well has plenty of room for a second battery. As an option, it could be an response to Tesla's range options. Frankly, the Leaf is more my style with the Tesla being too flashy.

Your best bet is to charge at work. That essentially doubles your range. Even L1 charging for 8 hours should be okay.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:20 pm

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums ... n-anything

Niether does your loyalty to Tesla. Based on my conversation minutes ago with Tesla Customer Service ANYONE who will pay for a 230 mile battery pack, even if its next year, will get ahead of me in production number (I want the 160 mile pack). We are not talking signature series, we are talking Production series, it doesn't matter when you reserved.

Customer service specifically told me that eventhough they appreciate my loyalty for having reserved a year ago the reservation number are loose suggestions and holder will not receive their cars in order.
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Re: Tesla Model S

Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:15 pm

Since there were questions about the sequence of S production ...

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/quick-update-model-s

- Alpha testing is in full swing. The first Alpha hit the road in December 2010, and we continue to test as planned. Final assembly of the production-intent Beta vehicles will be done at the Tesla Factory this year and provide us with further testing and development opportunities.
- Deliveries for North America begin in mid-2012.
- The first 1000 cars off the line will be the North American Model S Signature Series. Those vehicles will be equipped with a 300 mile range battery. In the tradition of a limited-edition series, they will feature unique badging and an extensive complement of options.
- After the Model S Signature Series, deliveries for North America will continue with the 300 mile batteries, followed by 230 and 160 options later in 2012.
- Delivery of the European left-hand drive Model S is scheduled to begin in late 2012. In mid-2013 we plan to begin delivering the right-hand drive Model S for Europe and Asia. Each launch will begin with a limited edition Signature Series.
- We expect to produce approximately 5,000 units in 2012 as we ramp to full single shift production capacity of 20,000 units per year in 2013.
- The price of the US base Model S with a 160-mile battery is $49,900 after the $7,500 federal tax credit. The 230-mile range option is expected to price at about $10,000 more and the 300-mile option at about $20,000 more than the base.
- We are currently working on final pricing and options for Model S, including the Signature Series. We expect to have updates on Model S pricing worldwide this summer.
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Tesla Model S Beta Reveal (Pt. 1, 2, & 3 ) - Oct 12, 2011

Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:48 pm

I thought these were really well done. Lot of subtle points. Really like the 3rd one. (I watched them all at 480p med screen but 720p is avail with fullscreen)

Beta Reveal (Pt. 1): Intro & Safety
Uploaded by TeslaMotors on Oct 12, 2011
After rolling on stage in a Shasta Pearl White Model S Beta, Tesla Co-founder and CEO Elon Musk shows how Model S' electric vehicle architecture and lack of an internal combustion engine makes it a smarter, safer car. Not to mention it has twice the cargo capacity of similarly-sized sedans.




Beta Reveal (Pt. 2): Performance
Uploaded by TeslaMotors on Oct 12, 2011
Tesla Co-founder and CEO Elon Musk highlights Model S' superior performance and handling -- both enhanced by the vehicle's ground-up electric design. Built on the platform of a rigid, floor-mounted battery pack, Model S offers the smooth acceleration of a sports car in the body of a premium sedan. Equipped with Aero wheels, the car will travel up to 320 miles on a single charge. And a performance-tuned version of Model S, available at start of production, will go 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds.




Beta Reveal (Pt. 3): Interior & Touchscreen
Uploaded by TeslaMotors on Oct 12, 2011
Tesla Co-founder and CEO Elon Musk steps inside the Model S Beta vehicle to showcase the car's 17-inch LCD touchscreen that controls everything from media and navigation to the panoramic roof and headlights. With wireless access and voice command built-in, Model S is setting a new standard for automotive tech savvy.
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Re: Tesla Model S Beta Reveal (Pt. 1, 2, & 3 ) - Oct 12, 201

Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:57 pm

Great videos thanks for sharing.

I love that 17 inch center stack.
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Re: Tesla Model S Beta Reveal (Pt. 1, 2, & 3 ) - Oct 12, 201

Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:40 pm

GPowers wrote:Great videos thanks for sharing. I love that 17 inch center stack.
You're welcome. Impressive I thought and certainly shows what is possible. I have friends who couldn't fathom that they'd make EVs with over 100 miles.

BTW, the videos are hi-res too so you can watch them full screen on that setting and it is pretty decent. (right click, watch on youtube, pick 720p/1080p)
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Re: Tesla Model S Beta Reveal (Pt. 1, 2, & 3 ) - Oct 12, 201

Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:43 pm

I saw the Red protype in Newport beach, even that has a impressive 17" screen.
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Re: Tesla Model S Beta Reveal (Pt. 1, 2, & 3 ) - Oct 12, 201

Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:48 pm

maybe move these into the stickied Tesla Model S thread?

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2429
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Re: Tesla Model S Beta Reveal (Pt. 1, 2, & 3 ) - Oct 12, 201

Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:17 pm

AndyH wrote:maybe move these into the stickied Tesla Model S thread?

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2429


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