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Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:20 pm

For all those who wonder if it's worth just slapping a solar panel on the roof (it's not), this could actually meet some people's modest daily range needs. Or, for those who, like me, are renters who leave their car parked all week long and only use it occasionally, this would make a solar-charged BEV viable. Still would need more range, though. Via IEVS: http://insideevs.com/sono-sion-unveiled ... solar-car/

Today Sono Motors unveiled its prototype electric and solar car, the worlds first series production bound solar powered car, with deliveries expected in 2019.

Integrated solar cells (330 to be exact) on the Sion’s body produce enough electricity to add around 18 miles of range per day in addition to the ~100 miles it has from plugging in its 30 kWh battery. . . .

Originally the Sion was going to be offered in two models, an Urban model priced at €12,000 with a 14.4 kWh battery giving a real world range of 50-60 miles, and an Extender model priced at €16,000 featuring a 30 kWh battery providing around 110-120 miles of real world range. But last week the decision was announced to only develop the Extender model and drop the Urban model due to weak demand because of its low range. Another change from the original concept is that there will only be 5 seats instead of 6 in order so keep production costs low.

The price of €16,000 ($18,720 USD currently) does not include the price of the 30 kWh battery which will be offered as a monthly battery lease or an upfront battery purchase, estimated by Sono to be €4,000, which is $4,680 USD by today’s exchange rate. Estimated final cost in USD is expected to be in the $23,000 range with production in 2019, and test drives next summer in the U.S.

Some notable features are it’s bi directional charging which can turn the car into a mobile power station with up to 2.7 kW output, a special moss for air filtration, and an optional 750 kg capacity trailer hitch (1654 lbs.) Fast charging is supported, but no details are available yet. .
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Direct link to manufacturer website: https://www.sonomotors.com/sion.html#st-intro

I love the idea and the price, even though I expect real-world daily gain will be more like 10 miles. It will be interesting to see if it makes it to production.
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:31 pm

GCR: Production Sono Sion solar-assisted car makes appearance
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122001_production-sono-sion-solar-assisted-car-makes-appearance

German crowd-funded start-up. 4 door hatch "about the size of a Kia Soul". 1+ kW of PV on top and sides of car, adds up to 21 mpd, but probably about 12 mpd average in Munich. 35kWh battery, 159 mile WLTP range, 161 HP, 214 lb. ft. torque, top speed 87 mph, 50kW CCS, 7.6 kW V2G-capable charging. Price about $28,765, but can lease the battery pack instead and reduce the up-front price.

I think usefully-sized PV* like this makes a lot of sense on EVs, as if nothing else it can run the HVAC on sunny days, pre-condition the interior, cool the battery etc., boosting the range. For someone like me who often leaves his car parked for a week or more, there would be little need to pay to charge (other than doing so upfront and on road trips), and people with shorter commutes in sunnier climes would need little or no extra charging for routine use either. Who knows if this car will reach production, but the basic idea's good.

*Not a token PV module like the one on the LEAF SL.
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:25 pm

The devil is always in the details, but in the (unlikely?) event that this car is as presented, it will likely be my next EV - the one I actually buy. I'm tired of Nissan's games with features and batteries, and with Japanese whaling resumed I won't buy or lease another Japanese car. This one would replace both my Leaf and my dual fuel backup generator.

(I will need to see pictures of the interior, options lists if any, and read driving reviews.)
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:45 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:it will likely be my next EV - the one I actually buy.

ROFL
Aren't you the guy who picks a trivial feature to exclude a car choice ?

I do agree though that the whaling is despicable. Should I avoid Tesla because America has concentration camps ?
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:06 pm

Aren't you the guy who picks a trivial feature to exclude a car choice ?


Get Reynaud's Syndrome and then get back to me after a few years of living with it. I'm hoping that in two or three years there will be add on steering wheel heaters that are actually good. If so, then even Tesla may be resurrected from the junk heap of my exclusions....



























NAAAAH.
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:45 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Aren't you the guy who picks a trivial feature to exclude a car choice ?


Get Reynaud's Syndrome

Yet you call this car your 'likely next car purchase' even though you have no idea whether it will have your must have features ... except when those must have features are not that important.

I have never understood hypocrisy, but I can at least recommend a pair of heated gloves for Raynaud's syndrome (notice the correct spelling.)
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:56 pm

My reasoning (which may well seem like hypocrisy to those unused to calm, rational discussion) is that I'm willing to add things like a surround camera system and steering wheel heater to a $30k EV that I own, while I am NOT willing to do so with a $38k EV that I am only leasing. I have been wearing lithium battery gloves for 5+ years when on my bicycles in Winter, or driving the PIP, and you apparently can't understand how tiresome it is to care for and manage battery packs for gloves. They need to be charged after every use (and sometimes before as well), they have to be kept charged through the 6 or so warm months, and they are bulky.

When Tesla sells a good sub-$30K EV BEFORE tax credits, and assuming that it isn't poorly designed <COUGHfrozenwindowsblockingdoorsCOUGH> and glitchy, I will consider buying one. IF, that is, it will also power my home in a blackout and slowly charge itself while sitting in my driveway.
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:42 am

LeftieBiker wrote:When Tesla sells a good sub-$30K EV BEFORE tax credits,

Can some moderator move the last few off-topic posts to a more appropriate thread?
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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:18 am

SageBrush wrote:even though you have no idea whether it will have your must have features ... except when those must have features are not that important.

I have never understood hypocrisy


I bought the first EV with my must have features

A 1981 Comutacar
It includes
Brakes
Steering wheel
Sliding windows

That about covers it for me

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Re: Sono Sion Unveiled, World’s First Production Solar Car – Up To 18 Miles PV Added Range Per Day

Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:33 pm

jlv wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:When Tesla sells a good sub-$30K EV BEFORE tax credits,

Can some moderator move the last few off-topic posts to a more appropriate thread?


Comparing the car in the topic to another EV theoretically in the same price range, is not what I consider OT. If the thread devolves into arguing about Teslas it will be another story.

If the Sion turns out to be a 'stripper' then I'll try to persuade my housemate, who doesn't even use her A/C or radio, to get one. If it has enough features for me, then I am likely to get one. A little family truckster that will power our house, lug larger items, and keep itself charged, would be hard to resist.
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