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Re: Tesla Semi Truck

Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:08 am

GRA wrote:Aaagh! I'd written a long reply to all your points, but MNL timed me out and made me re-sign in, and it was gone when I came back.
That stinks!
GRA wrote:I will repeat how I summed things up: regardless of the specific changes that will or won't happen, the next decade or so will see the greatest changes in the U.S. trucking industry since deregulation in 1980.
We can agree on that. I expect the transition will take much longer than a decade.
EVDRIVER wrote:There sure are many issues with PV on a truck rook, vibration to start.
Yeah, I expect any effort to put stuff on the trailers will have significant growing pains. At the same time, I expect the need to harvest energy while on the road will ultimately win out. Time will tell.
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Re: Tesla Semi Truck

Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:05 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
GRA wrote:Aaagh! I'd written a long reply to all your points, but MNL timed me out and made me re-sign in, and it was gone when I came back.
That stinks!

I probably won't get the time or motivation to rewrite it until the weekend, if then. I'll see how it goes.

RegGuheert wrote:
GRA wrote:I will repeat how I summed things up: regardless of the specific changes that will or won't happen, the next decade or so will see the greatest changes in the U.S. trucking industry since deregulation in 1980.
We can agree on that. I expect the transition will take much longer than a decade

Agreed, but I think the major technical and structural changes will likely appear over the next 10 years. Full transition to replace all the legacy equipment will take much longer, perhaps 25-30 years in this country.
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Re: Tesla Semi Truck

Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:56 am

Here's a spy photo of the Tesla Semi Truck from the side (the arrow points to the shroud which would normally be on top of the cab):

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Assuming that's really a Tesla Semi, I have to say it's a bit odd-looking. I'm sure I'll get used to it with time.
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Re: Tesla Semi Truck

Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:13 am

Not having a ginormous engine sticking out front changes the design options. More like a cab over.
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Re: Tesla Semi Truck

Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:08 am

The design may appear odd but only because we are not accustomed to it. In the end, aesthetics of a commercial transport vehicle aren't likely high on the list for those making purchase decisions based around TCO of operation of the vehicle.
Trucking is one of those industries where Total Cost of Ownership makes a huge difference over many other features. That's why I expect the Tesla Semi to do very well. Fuel and drivers are the most expensive portions of operating a trucking fleet, and electric trucks will cost 1/3 the price in fuel, and when you're doing a caravan, you can cut the driver expense as well, say 1 driver for 3 trucks.
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Re: Tesla Semi Truck

Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:41 pm

It looks like something out of a late 80s scifi movie.

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Re: Tesla Semi Truck

Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:02 pm

Reg (and others), you might find this McKinsey TCO break-even analysis of various types of trucks and use cases interesting: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22441&p=507273#p507273

I still haven't had time to re-write my reply to your earlier post, but will hopefully get to it this week, assuming you want me to do so. Please let me know.
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