FIAT 500e

[edatoakrun]

10,000 miles? what is the overage rate? I mean 10,000 miles? I only know a handful of drivers that puts that little on their cars annually.

The actual average miles driven per LEAF from the AVTA survey (will post link when/if I can find it) is just under 10,000 miles per year.

Lack of DC charge infrastructure obviously limits miles driven for LEAF owners in most of the USA.

And the 500e lacks DC capability, which is why it's a non-option for me, an (occasional,'82 2000 Spider) Fiat driver.

[Stoaty]

10,000 miles? what is the overage rate? I mean 10,000 miles? I only know a handful of drivers that puts that little on their cars annually.

My average annual mileage for my Leaf stands at 10,244. Of course, I drive my Camry another 3,000 miles.

[eloder]

10,000 miles? what is the overage rate? I mean 10,000 miles? I only know a handful of drivers that puts that little on their cars annually.

I put about 7000-8000 miles into my gas smart annually, no other cars.

It's not too hard to do. My commute is only about 9 miles in each direction, and I'll take maybe 1-2 trips of 300 miles or less a year.

With a lease so cheap, you could easily afford a second car--or hell, even a second electric lease--for the price of a single car. My gas smart's monthly lease cost is about $87 a month, and my electric will be about $139 a month with $430 down and no state rebates/incentives. I'll have both vehicles for 6-7 months, and together they'll be about the cost of a Leaf lease.

I'm sure Fiat only has that sale to meet CARB credit minimums for their fleet.

[DaveinOlyWA]

10,000 miles? what is the overage rate? I mean 10,000 miles? I only know a handful of drivers that puts that little on their cars annually.

The actual average miles driven per LEAF from the AVTA survey (will post link when/if I can find it) is just under 10,000 miles per year.

Lack of DC charge infrastructure obviously limits miles driven for LEAF owners in most of the USA.

And the 500e lacks DC capability, which is why it's a non-option for me, an (occasional,'82 2000 Spider) Fiat driver.

LOL!!

you might want consider that people bought LEAFs because their driving needs were very modest and public charging does not play as big a role as you think it does

[jlv]

you might want consider that people bought LEAFs because their driving needs were very modest and public charging does not play as big a role as you think it does

Like me... I was putting 10K mi/year on my Passat, so the LEAF was a perfect fit for my needs.

[TomT]

It was 0 down and 88 a month, with California Tax included, for 12K miles/year at Santa Monica Fiat.
Amazing! I believe they are all gone now...

[cwerdna]

^^^
The amazing deal ended awhile ago.

Today, I went for a test drive (have driven once briefly before) and to try out the stereo since a really crappy stereo (since there's no optional better stereo) would be a dealbreaker. Also, if the ride was too harsh, that'd make me think twice. I considered the Spark EV but reports of the crap stereo made me rule it out. The dealer was quite busy when I arrived and ended up having a salesman from their sister VW dealer go out w/me (who knew almost nothing about the 500e).

Stereo was fine. Ride was ok.

W/o going into negotiations, local dealer said for a 3 year 10K mile/year lease would be $3500 down and $139/mo before tax. They figured as an estimate 8.75% tax and said the doc fee and license was already part of that $3500 down. 12K miles/year would take be ~$10/mo extra.

If I wanted stuff like sunroof, orange or pearl white paint, that's extra $. I believe white interior was more $, as well. I wouldn't go for any of that.

They mentioned $1000 conquest cash if I was leasing a car from another manufacturer. They just needed my registration card showing the lien holder.

Hmm... seems tempting. Total cost of lease for a 3 years/36K miles due to the conquest cash and after $2500 CVRP would be ~$5671.

If I extend my '13 Leaf lease for another year (viewtopic.php?p=427353#p427353), I'd have to pay $3140 in payments and probably buy new tires for it.

If I were doing a 3 year lease on a 500e, it might also need new tires at lease end.

However, since I have an '13 Leaf SV w/premium + QC + LED packages, I'd lose DC FC capability (not that important to me), around view monitor (like a LOT) and anything like Intelligent Key System. It just has an old fashioned metal key to put in the steering column and I'd have to futz w/buttons on the key (fob). Also, the TomTom nav unit on a bracket feels like an afterthought.

10,000 miles? what is the overage rate? I mean 10,000 miles? I only know a handful of drivers that puts that little on their cars annually.

10K miles/year is pretty low, but I know a fair # of people who would put that few miles on their car a year.

If I were to jump on this deal (assuming it's still available when I'm back in the market) when my Leaf lease runs out, I'd need 12K miles/year.

My mom's Altima Hybrid bought new in Feb 08 has somewhere under 40K miles, IIRC. My 06 Prius is now hardly driven since I have my Leaf. It's WAY under 10K miles/year now... probably more like 3K to 5K max.

[SteveInSeattle]

I found the ride on the FiatEV to be firmer than the Leaf with considerably more road noise. Made me appreciate how quiet the Leaf is.

[mwalsh]

I found the ride on the FiatEV to be firmer than the Leaf with considerably more road noise. Made me appreciate how quiet the Leaf is.

BUT...the 500e's ride was "slot car" like (as to a certain extent is that of the i3). As a classic Mini Owner I found it similarly exhilarating.

[RonDawg]

Firm suspension is fun on the twisty roads, but gets old quickly when you have to drive on a typical California highway full of potholes, large cracks, and uneven concrete slabs.

For driving around the city, my Leaf is far more comfortable than my Audi A3 (which doesn't even have the optional "Sport" suspension). Passengers who regularly ride in my car and have ridden in both vehicles also agree.