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Re: FIAT 500e

Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:28 am

Amazing deal was offered Friday - $49/mo + $2500 down - CA rebate = $49/mo + tax/reg/fees.

http://insideevs.com/black-friday-satur ... r-month-0/
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... ekend-deal

Unfortunately, that deal seems to be gone, but it appears that you can still get the same deal for $69/mo. At the end it seems that you can get out paying about $100/mo including tax/reg/fees.

Crazy cheap, at that price it's hard to pass up a fun little EV...
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Re: FIAT 500e

Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:17 pm

Yep, and by all reports the batteries are holding up well...

drees wrote:Crazy cheap, at that price it's hard to pass up a fun little EV...
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Re: FIAT 500e

Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:11 pm

500e s tend to blow the halfshafts .

Other than that they are fairly reliable

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Re: FIAT 500e

Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:57 pm

I just came from a visit at our friends' house in San Diego. They have a 2015 Golf TDI and a leased 2016 Fiat 500e (which they are only paying $150/month because he brother got bored of the car). She's a former MINI owner and absolutely loves the car for it's zippiness, ease of parking, and range (her commute is 5 mi). I started looking at a few off-lease Fiats and was surprised to see so many lemon/buyback vehicles. I'll have to do more research into what happened and/or how serious the issues were, but $7K for a 10K mile old EV isn't bad at all. I would think the support from Nissan would be better than Fiat, but I could be wrong. My wife drove their car and she's now onboard to add a small EV to our garage.

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Re: FIAT 500e

Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:18 pm

Ideally, I'd buy a new Volt before the tax credit is (presumably) removed by the incoming admin, but the price of a new car is a turn-off at this time. The circa $8000 price of the lease-return 500e, OTOH, would be very do-able. On paper, I like the car a lot. The problem is that my impression of Fiat/Chrysler reliability is not good.

My first attempts to find quality/reliability info for these are failing dismally. JD Powers' website shows no ratings (although weirdly, I found a fairly poor initial quality JD Power rating on an unrelated site). I'm not a Consumer Reports member, but would consider joining if they have actual data.

Anyone have links to more info on these? Dream, nightmare, or somewhere in between?

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Re: FIAT 500e

Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:21 pm

BuckRimfire wrote:Ideally, I'd buy a new Volt before the tax credit is (presumably) removed by the incoming admin, but the price of a new car is a turn-off at this time. The circa $8000 price of the lease-return 500e, OTOH, would be very do-able. On paper, I like the car a lot. The problem is that my impression of Fiat/Chrysler reliability is not good.

My first attempts to find quality/reliability info for these are failing dismally. JD Powers' website shows no ratings (although weirdly, I found a fairly poor initial quality JD Power rating on an unrelated site). I'm not a Consumer Reports member, but would consider joining if they have actual data.

Anyone have links to more info on these? Dream, nightmare, or somewhere in between?

Most public libraries carry Consumer Reports. The April Auto issue or the December issue have the latest Frequency of Repair reports. Unfortunately, it appears they don't have enough owners reporting on the 500e (they require a minimum sample size to make the data statistically valid), as it isn't included in either of them, only the ICE (which is much worse than average, like most FCA products).

They're certainly popular here in the Bay Area, but that tells you nothing about their reliability.
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Re: FIAT 500e

Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:22 pm

http://www.myfiat500e.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43

Read learn understand.

Like all fca products it's a pig and a poke.

They took something that could have been simple and made it complex enough to have lots of lemons.

I have seen 500e s for as little as $3500 but I don't want to risk having a car that sits in the service dept half the time

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Re: FIAT 500e

Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:03 pm

rmay635703 wrote:I have seen 500e s for as little as $3500


Have a link?

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Re: FIAT 500e

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:15 pm

GRA wrote:Most public libraries carry Consumer Reports. The April Auto issue or the December issue have the latest Frequency of Repair reports. Unfortunately, it appears they don't have enough owners reporting on the 500e (they require a minimum sample size to make the data statistically valid), as it isn't included in either of them, only the ICE (which is much worse than average, like most FCA products).

They're certainly popular here in the Bay Area, but that tells you nothing about their reliability.

Correct but from the rankings of all of FCA's brands at http://www.consumerreports.org/car-reli ... -stack-up/, it doesn't seem likely that the 500e is miraculously much more reliable than their other vehicles, given their losses on each 500e and that it's a compliance car. You'd think they'd spend less effort on long-term durability and reliability testing than even their not-reliable ICEVs that they've been building for many decades.

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Re: FIAT 500e

Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:45 pm

My wife did not care much for the Leaf's interior but she liked the 500e. We considered an amazing lease deal at effectively $55 per month ($114 when you factor fees, plus downpayment, less CA rebate). However, the insurance requirements for leasing would be another $104 per month. We decided to just buy a used 2013 fully loaded 500e with 22K miles on it. Insurance without comprehensive and collision is only $45 per month. So what started on a hunt for Leaf has led us to our Fiat. My only gripe is that FCA doesn't seem as invested in long-term ownership of these cars. The Fiat Access app and service is only functional for 3 years and cannot be extended.

I factored all this in to my decision and would be surprised if we still have this car in 5 years. I expect better cars to be flooding the secondary market off-lease…i.e. 2019 GM Bolt will probably be under $15K by then.

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