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Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:37 am

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-57 ... d-rav4-ev/

ed : Making this the official thread.
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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:44 am

This is the biggest PR stunt, limited conversions with packs that are hanging below the car, poor efficiency and a likely very high sticker all so Toyota can look like they are doing EVs while artificially boosting Tesla's bottom line, all this from the world's leader in battery pack and traction drive tech acting as though they need to partner with Tesla for help on an EV. Clever marketing and spin and a great way to sever each companies short term needs but a pathetic attempt into the EV market. When is Toyota going to get serious about EVs?

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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:00 am

EVDRIVER wrote:When is Toyota going to get serious about EVs?


You are being too pessimistic.. but the answer is: When they are profitable.. at least its a properly done conversion by Tesla.

Toyota already gets all the greencredits they need with the Prius, the king of the electric cars.. and if they need to buff up their image there is always the $3000 plug-in option for the Prius. This SUV is for the soccermoms that find the Leaf too cheap for their lifestyle.

They are already making a killing a on the Prius, they will boost production as demand increases.

The ground clearance on the RAV4 does not look too bad from this angle:

http://bioage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c ... 970b-popup

from this article:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11 ... 01117.html

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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:15 am

Herm wrote:Toyota already gets all the greencredits they need with the Prius, the king of the electric cars..


That's a bit of an overstatement, no?
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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:22 am

mwalsh wrote:
Herm wrote:Toyota already gets all the greencredits they need with the Prius, the king of the electric cars..


That's a bit of an overstatement, no?


No, you and I know the Prius is not an electric (it is actually) but I bet the majority of people dont know the difference, and they dont care. All those details are only of interest to us geeks.

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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:55 am

Herm wrote:No, you and I know the Prius is not an electric (it is actually) but I bet the majority of people dont know the difference, and they dont care. All those details are only of interest to us geeks.

Actually "most" people know them as hybrids. Not electric.

EVDriver's question stands. He wasn't talking about green cred (a.k.a. green washing).

RAV4 EV as configured (37kwh usable !) will cost nearly $10K above Volt.
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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:35 am

evnow wrote:Actually "most" people know them as hybrids. Not electric.
EVDriver's question stands.


Most people will think Prius when you mention electric.. the answer to EVDRIVERs questions is: When they are profitable.

Then I mentioned that it would not give Toyota any additional green credits.

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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:38 am

evnow wrote:RAV4 EV as configured (37kwh usable !) will cost nearly $10K above Volt.


More I bet.. how much do you think the battery costs?

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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:27 am

Pushing two tons? and $50 k?, but a DC charge port is too heavy and expensive?

What a load of....

Is there something about Tesla battery technology that limits fast charging?


"When the RAV4 EV reaches its Phase One stage next year, and a limited-production vehicle goes on sale, it will have one key difference versus the Phase Zero prototype we drove in the San Diego area this past week. While the RAV4 EV prototypes have a proprietary charge connector from Tesla Motors, the production version next year will have an industry standard, 220-volt SAE J1772 charge connector.

But there definitely won't be any quick-charging capability.

A quick charger would provide a lot of additional cost and mass, Toyota decided. According to Brown, adding a quick charger to the EV—including its additional data-porting capability, additional cooling hardware, and other safeguards—would bring up to 40 kilograms (88 pounds) of additional weight..."


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Re: RAV4 EV prototype hits the highway in La Jolla on Monday

Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:51 am

Herm wrote:Most people will think Prius when you mention electric..

Yes, some do confuse between hybrids & electrics. Typical conversation runs like
me : I got an electric car
J6P : You mean like a hybrid
me : No. 100% electric.
J6P : Wow. How much was it etc etc

the answer to EVDRIVERs questions is: When they are profitable.

What comes first, chicken or the egg ?

More I bet.. how much do you think the battery costs?

Tesla batteries would cost about $20 K. The new format ones they will use in production may be a little costlier. My guess is they will use a smaller battery and settle for a smaller range, if they want to bring down the cost.

What would you buy if they cost the same - Rav4 EV or Model S :lol: :lol:
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