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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:09 pm

redLEAF wrote:
GRA wrote:
redLEAF wrote:We’re taking another look at the latest Smart Fortwo (available now ONLY as an EV in the US from here on out) as the lease rates are so low at $139/mo that it may replace my wife’s ‘14 smart cabrio. If we end up with one we’ll be sure to post it here - she has a quite short work commute (7 mile round trip) so a local commuter EV at this price point could make a lot of sense. Anyone else opt for a 2nd gen smart ED (of course the latest has dropped the ED moniker and have a simple ‘electric drive’ script on the front and no plug outline on the Tridion frame anymore but I digress). Smart cars aren’t for everyone but do still fit a niche - this would be our 3rd and could actually be the best one, we’ll see ...

IDK what the route, traffic and general safety conditions are like on your wife's commute, but 7 miles RT is ideal for a bike commute. Granted, it's not great in winter in your area, but there are e-trikes with enclosed cockpits. Not thinking a bike or pedelec is a likely choice for her, but thought I'd throw it out there just in case it hadn't occurred to either of you. Most people have become so trained to think that personal commute vehicle = car that other options never occur to them. I do remember the woman here a long while back who announced she'd just gotten a LEAF for her one mile (2 RT) commute, and I've always wondered if she fell into that category.

Haven't been through any REALLY cold weather 'eh? ... let me know how that would work for you -- not really an option plus we're in the 'burbs so some roads have a decent space for bike traffic and/or sidewalks and some do not; not really all that safe. Unlike one of my sons cities (Nashua, NH) our 'burb is not very 'walkable' or designed with bike paths its really car dependent --- plus, if her work commute was all she needed to do on a daily basis and not go shopping, etc. maybe we might consider it for 3-seasons -- in any case, we ended up doing a 3-year single payment lease using the '14 smart against it -- opted for the lowest mileage (7,500/yr). They had a very nice 10th Anniversary Sapphire blue metallic coupe that was indeed a whole generation+ better than either of the two prior smarts we owned -- its wider (more elbow room), smoother over bumps (wider tires all around) and much more seamless (single speed EV) to drive plus as we're about to have a solar panel system installed on our house will soon cost nothing to run. Links below to photos f the model we're leasing: <snip>

Glad you've found something to work for you. I've been in fairly cold temps, including X-C skiing (reasonably comfortably) at 18F dressed in nothing but shorts, socks, boots, gaiters, fingerless bike gloves and a ball cap, and (wearing more clothes) down to well below zero, but I have an odd metabolism and most people wouldn't be comfortable doing so. But I do know of people who bike commute/run errands year-round in Minnesota and similar iceboxes, although you have to be a really dedicated rider to do so (I don't put myself in that category), and I wasn't suggesting that it would work for your wife or most people. And as you note, traffic conditions, and probably more importantly someone's willingness to ride in it, vary widely.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:24 am

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Quick follow up as we've had the smart ED for 2+ months; now this is the car that smart should have introduced back in '08 (of course this tech wasn't yet available)! Much more compliant / smoother ride (of course it isn't perfect with such a short wheelbase); single speed trans/drive unit so instant torque without annoying 'lurching' shifts (we almost always used the manual shift side) which really helps in slow stop and go traffic. More room for passengers and generally improved materials and redesigned interior. I no longer dread taking it to work to give it a few miles. I guess the most surprising thing is how much faster it can sprint in the suburban traffic it typically encounters but then again we all now how much EV's compare to their ICE counterparts.

The wife who is the main driver is quite happy with it but then again she loved the first two smarts anyway even with all their quirks. I'm curious what the future of smart will be once the lease is up. We'll also see how well this does in the winter months but as the EV battery does have a thermal management system (versus just air-cooled) it should be fine -- have seen an indicated range of 110 miles at times but realistically on a moderate temp day can get about 90 miles before the 20% 'reserve battery' warning comes up. Using AC of course does reduce range but its pretty efficient and can definitely keep the cabin cool -- it will vary a bit on its impact on overall range but as we both have commutes that always start at 100% charge not an issue.

Wish list -- MBZ/smart needs to release an updated smart EV phone app; similar to the LEAF they started down the 2G path but never replaced it -- have heard that European smarts have something that they can use but not available in the US; my local MBZ/smart center tech didn't know when or if they plan on one so will have to live w/o it. The car does actually cool or warm up quickly so don't really miss the ability to pre-temp the cabin but would be nice; as well just a double check on range on really hot or cool days.

We picked up some Weathertech mats for it to be ready for winter; with such a low-volume car we were happy that they actually still make them!

Will be curious to see what MBZ does as they introduce more vehicles to their new 'EQ' line (including renaming the smart) ... perhaps our next one will look like this and simply drop us off to work !

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/Autonomous-concept-car-smart-vision-EQ-fortwo-Welcome-to-the-future-of-car-sharing.xhtml?oid=29042725
2018 smart ED Brabus (leased)
Sapphire Blue Metallic
2017 Tesla Model 3 LR RWD; EAP; 19" sport wheels
Red Multi-coat
2015 VW e-Golf LE (traded-in for Model 3)
2012 Nissan LEAF SL (traded-in at 5 yrs; 46K miles)
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