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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:48 pm

Wannabeleafowner wrote:Angelas new (as of August) ride.

I get the impression that the battery must be rented in the USA. Yes/no. Seems weird. We are Canadian so they all come with a battery. <snip>

Battery rental is an option in the U.S., not mandatory. When it was introduced, some high % of customers were opting for it - it's probably upthread somewhere. Edit: Found an ievs article from about June 2015, where Smart reported that of the first 60 sold/leased in the U.S., 53 or ~ 90% had opted for the battery lease.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:34 pm

Thanks for the info re the battery. Good to k now. We have a place in California. If we decide to leave a car there it may may be a lightly used smart ED.

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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:31 am

Not sure if this used one includes the battery; if so, its about half of the going retail for these; we've all seen rampant depreciation on EV's but a 2015 smart ED with only 9,000 miles going for less than $10K ($9,750) is unreal ...

No mention of 'battery rental', etc. in the listing but, always better to check ... if this one is for real, someone looking for a cheap 2nd EV or local commuter in ATL might be worthwhile to check it out

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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:56 am

redLEAF wrote:Blog from one who has owned one for 1/2 a year; does better than the 68 miles of EPA estimated range (at least in moderate temps) with lots of utility ...

I'm 10 months into my Smart ED experience and agree completely that in moderate temps 80 miles is easy to hit and 100 is possible with careful driving with plenty of 45 mph speeds and only a couple of white knuckles. Unfortunately, in San Antonio temps aren't 'moderate' for much of the year. A more typical city experience was last night's trip for some Christmas shopping at a local sports/fitness store. It was 45°F, the car was fully charged, the outer ring road required speeds of at least 65, and a three car collision forced a detour to an alternate store. I got home with 4% charge remaining after traveling 42 miles.

Aside from the range hit caused by both heat and AC, and the very unreliable telematics server(s) at the 'Benz mothership, I'm loving the car.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:27 am

I saw the next generation Smart Fortwo at the LA Auto Show. The "ED" version wasn't on display but the associate told me that they would be available starting in April. No further details.

Either she is very wrong (though as soon as the word "electric" came out of my mouth, she gave her reply), or MBUSA changed its mind and decided to release the car a year early.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:02 am

With all the other companies releasing Gen 1.5 batteries to reach triple digit ranges, ISTM that the one car type that would most benefit from such an upgrade but probably wouldn't want much more would be commuter/urban cars like the Smart, yet I haven't seen any rumors yet. Has anyone?
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:26 am

GRA wrote:With all the other companies releasing Gen 1.5 batteries to reach triple digit ranges, ISTM that the one car type that would most benefit from such an upgrade but probably wouldn't want much more would be commuter/urban cars like the Smart, yet I haven't seen any rumors yet. Has anyone?


I have seen but now cannot locate disturbing quotes from MB saying 'owners report current range is fine'.


edit: found it. From January, 2016
Dr. Annette Winkler, Smart Automobile CEO and Director wrote:Our customers are telling us that they are fully satisfied with the range they have today

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/q-a-d ... -director/
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:52 pm

jhm614 wrote:
GRA wrote:With all the other companies releasing Gen 1.5 batteries to reach triple digit ranges, ISTM that the one car type that would most benefit from such an upgrade but probably wouldn't want much more would be commuter/urban cars like the Smart, yet I haven't seen any rumors yet. Has anyone?


I have seen but now cannot locate disturbing quotes from MB saying 'owners report current range is fine'.


edit: found it. From January, 2016
Dr. Annette Winkler, Smart Automobile CEO and Director wrote:Our customers are telling us that they are fully satisfied with the range they have today

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/q-a-d ... -director/

Thanks. As a purely urban car I can see that the range might be okay, but for someone who commutes in from further out, the range seems to be deficient, at least in the U.S. Maybe they figure suburban owners are going to buy Bolts etc. anyway, as space isn't critical at home. Where a car like the Smart really shines is with on-street parking (at least until parking lots and garages start offering variably-priced spaces depending on size), and unless you've got curbside charging an EV isn't going to work for you.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:18 pm

We are just about a year with our smart ED. Fantastic car. But gotta say. Anything better than 100 solid highway miles would kinda be a waste most of the time for us. Around town we are easily north of 75 miles and probably at 90. Of course in Canada here we are using kilometers. Around town we can get north of 150 Km and still have 10 percent left. However, not on the highway. So maybe go from the existing 19 KW battery to a 25 KW battery and it would be more than we would ever need. Having said that, we will probably replace our last diesel burner with a 2018 nissan leaf because of a 200 mile (300 km) range. Different purpose.

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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:40 pm

MB should just install a heatpump in the ED, thus boosting Winter range, which is what causes most of the problems.
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