AndyH
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:28 pm

evnow,

Here are a couple of space-fillers for the 2013 Smart electric drive.

Thanks for building this list for the community.

Andy

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Source: http://www.smartusa.com/models/electric-drive/overview.aspx
Features and Specifications pop-up; Technical Specifications

Front Headroom: 39.7 inches
Rear Headroom: N/A
Front Legroom: 41.2 inches
Rear Legroom: N/A
Front Shoulder Room: 48 inches
Rear Shoulder Room: N/A
Front Hip Room: 45.4 inches
Rear Hip Room: You guessed it - N/A ;)
Curb Weight: 2094 lbs (US model)
Charger kW: 3.3
Quick Charge: N/A
Motor Power: 47 cont; 74 peak (wide-open throttle 'kick down' switch)
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Thu May 18, 2017 8:28 pm

This is awesome! But is there anyway to include type of heater used (e.g. heat pump, resistance, engine, engine with resistance boost, etc.)
I've been contemplating trading my Leaf in for a PHEV, but since I use the heater daily (or should I say nightly since I work at night) for about 9 months out of the year I don't want a PHEV that has to run the engine to heat the car. It would defeat it's purpose.

It's mid May and it's been snowing off and on all day.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Thu May 18, 2017 9:21 pm

FWIW, the Prius PHEV has no electric heat, the Prius Prime has a heatpump (plus ICE heat), and the Volt has a 5kw (IIRC) resistance heater.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Thu May 18, 2017 9:33 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:FWIW, the Prius PHEV has no electric heat, the Prius Prime has a heatpump (plus ICE heat), and the Volt has a 5kw (IIRC) resistance heater.

Thanks!
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Fri May 19, 2017 6:16 am

LeftieBiker wrote:.... and the Volt has a 5kw (IIRC) resistance heater.

Do you know if that changed in the newer Volts? I seem to recall the older Volts were more inclined to start the ICE for heat and people had to trick or try to, to not run the ICE when requesting heat. Too bad the Volt didn't have the option for a heatpump like the Leaf, would sure help for extending EV range during moderate weather heating.
I agree with Issac, it would sure be nice to see a chart of the various new and old EVs or PHEVs listing if it had heat running on EV and the type of heater(resistive vs heatpump).
It's mid May and I had to run full heat(fan heat, seats and steering wheel) last night in my Leaf :x while not snowing it was in the low 40s and everyone was cold having watched an outdoor event with a strong North wind :( Luckily I had charged to 90% and not my normal 80%, I made it home with 12% showing.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Fri May 19, 2017 12:12 pm

I don't know if the heater changed in the '16 or '17 Volt, but I believe you can set them to not force-start the engine until temps drop to 15F. I remember someone saying 5F was also an option, but I don't know if that's true.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Fri May 19, 2017 2:37 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I don't know if the heater changed in the '16 or '17 Volt, but I believe you can set them to not force-start the engine until temps drop to 15F. I remember someone saying 5F was also an option, but I don't know if that's true.

I think your right and tricking the outside temp reading was how people forced older Volts to not start when the temps dropped. I seem to remember one downside to this was the outside temp display was wrong, showing a much warmer temp than it actually was.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Fri May 19, 2017 5:15 pm

jjeff wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:I don't know if the heater changed in the '16 or '17 Volt, but I believe you can set them to not force-start the engine until temps drop to 15F. I remember someone saying 5F was also an option, but I don't know if that's true.

I think your right and tricking the outside temp reading was how people forced older Volts to not start when the temps dropped. I seem to remember one downside to this was the outside temp display was wrong, showing a much warmer temp than it actually was.

For the 2012 volts there is a $0.99 phone app that can keep the motor off or on manually at the drivers will regardless of temperature or SOC , app even lets you fully deplete the HV battery to the lower limit and the motor won't start unless you "allow " it meaning the car coasts to a stop like a leaf past turtle.

http://gm-volt.com/forum/archive/index. ... 68129.html

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