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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:51 am

I think you should add hot|cold TMS to the chart.

This article suggestion Coda is going to offer a 36 kWh battery this year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/autom ... .html?_r=1
As with all electric vehicles, the key to range is battery capacity. Coda’s 31-kilowatt-hour battery surpasses the Leaf, which has 24-kilowatt-hour pack, and the Focus Electric’s 23 kilowatt-hour pack. (Coda says it will offer a 36 kilowatt-hour battery this year.) Coda also uses an active thermal management system to preserve range in cold and hot weather; it uses air to do the work of regulating temperature, rather than liquid like the Focus Electric.

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They need to change the grille -- goodness that ruins the looks of this car IMHO.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:34 pm

scottf200 wrote:I think you should add hot|cold TMS to the chart.

This article suggestion Coda is going to offer a 36 kWh battery this year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/autom ... .html?_r=1
As with all electric vehicles, the key to range is battery capacity. Coda’s 31-kilowatt-hour battery surpasses the Leaf, which has 24-kilowatt-hour pack, and the Focus Electric’s 23 kilowatt-hour pack. (Coda says it will offer a 36 kilowatt-hour battery this year.) Coda also uses an active thermal management system to preserve range in cold and hot weather; it uses air to do the work of regulating temperature, rather than liquid like the Focus Electric.

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They need to change the grille -- goodness that ruins the looks of this car IMHO.

While I'm near-immune to looks when it comes to car purchases (I fall in that niche of the public for whom BEV range is primary), changing just the grill isn't going to help much. The car will remain bland and unnoticeable with its current body; that's just the way it is.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:25 am

GRA wrote:SNIP

While I'm near-immune to looks when it comes to car purchases (I fall in that niche of the public for whom BEV range is primary), changing just the grill isn't going to help much. The car will remain bland and unnoticeable with its current body; that's just the way it is.


The Coda is not just bland.. it looks very dated/old. I think its noticeable.. but not in a good way. The leaf is at least distinctive and high-tech looking.


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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:59 pm

Updated with the release of Model S (EPA range & delivery date).
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:38 pm

DrInnovation wrote:On the main table.. the total HP for Karma is 403 HP. other useful karma specs at http://media.fiskerautomotive.com/media ... 3_1_1.aspx
Volt battery is now 16.5 kWh now as well.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:07 pm

evnow wrote:Updated with the release of Model S (EPA range & delivery date).

You might want to update the rest of the Model S specs. Some of those numbers currently in your chart are not correct (weight, headroom, width, etc). For example, it now weighs 4647 lbs and is 86" wide with mirrors. It's a beast!

Here's Tesla's numbers:
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/specs

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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:28 am

scottf200 wrote:Volt battery is now 16.5 kWh now as well.
An interesting side issue.

The MY '13 Volt is 16.5 kWh, but prior Volts are still 16 kWh. Should the chart only reflect the latest model, or should it include model year differentiations?

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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:57 pm

Rusty wrote:The MY '13 Volt is 16.5 kWh, but prior Volts are still 16 kWh. Should the chart only reflect the latest model, or should it include model year differentiations?

I'd only use the latest model info.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:30 am

evnow wrote:
Rusty wrote:The MY '13 Volt is 16.5 kWh, but prior Volts are still 16 kWh. Should the chart only reflect the latest model, or should it include model year differentiations?

I'd only use the latest model info.



Agreed.. it only makes sense since this is more for comparison shopping not past year bragging rights.

MY13 also moves the EPA EV range up to 38miles.
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Re: EV, PHEV specs/dimensions compared

Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:05 pm

Updated with C-Max Energi information.
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