GRA
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Re: Tesla Model X

Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:14 pm

GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
5-Seat Tesla Model X Now Available With Fold Flat Seats, 88 Cubic Feet Of Cargo Space
http://insideevs.com/5-seat-tesla-model ... rgo-space/

While they fold flat onto the rear seat cushions, they don't provide a flat load floor all the way from the hatch to the rear seat backs, as there's a considerable step up, perhaps as much as a foot. So, better but not yet ideal for cargo, and useless for sleeping in barring the use of a pad or box to raise the level of the cargo area to the folded seat height. OTOH, as someone pointed out in the comments, is anyone who can afford a car costing around $100k likely to sleep in the back of their car?

New video has surfaced which shows that the new 2nd row seats do indeed fold nearly flat and level with the cargo area floor (which has to use a couple of removable panels to raise it to seat back level), about the same angle or maybe a bit better than my Forester, so good. Via IEVS: http://insideevs.com/video-5-seat-tesla-model-x/ So you give up some height, but have straight-in loading all the way to the front seat backs. I'm a little concerned that the panels don't appear to be supported except at the sides, and appear to be a bit flimsy to support heavier loads or sleeping bodies, but it would take personal inspection to see if my concerns are justified or not. In any case, this gets the Model X closer to what it always should have had from the get-go. Now, if they could just dump the Falcon Wing doors and use either regular or sliding doors, they could put a motorized shade in the roof to cover the panoramic windshield when desired (as Citroen did on their cars that first used this type of windshield), instead of some afterthought removable sunshade that looks as if it costs $12.95 at Kragen or Pep Boys.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:34 pm

Safety recall, via IEVS:
Tesla Issues Recall For Certain Charging Adapters Due To Overheating / Potential For Fire
http://insideevs.com/tesla-issues-recal ... tial-fire/

Only the optional NEMA 14-30 (some), 10-30 and 6-50 adapters are affected; standard 5-15 and 14-50 (came with car), 6-15, 5-20 and are okay.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:52 pm

We had 4" of snow here some days ago and I was able to take the Model X out in it before the streets were plowed to test its handling on the straight and corners, braking, and acceleration.

I was EXTREMELY impressed with how the car handled the snow and slick conditions. It hard braked smooth and straight. The ABS brakes were much less 'ratchety' than any other car I've used them under (Chevrolet, Honda, Subaru, Ford, for example of our past vehicles).

Under moderate acceleration it was smooth and straight like there was not even snow on the ground. The traction control system is the Teslas are very impressive. I have the 20" tires below with 7 to 8/32nd tread left.

20" TIRES
Continental CrossContact LX Sport – an All-Season Crossover/SUV tire designed to combine performance, ride and noise comfort on highway driving, but also with year-round traction, even in light snow.
Front Tires: 265/45 R20 – 40 PSI (*46 PSI / 317 kPa)
Rear Tires: 275/45 R20 – 40 PSI (*46 PSI / 317 kPa)

22" TIRES
Pirelli Scorpion Zero Assimetrico
Front Tires: 265/35 ZR22 – 42 PSI (*50 PSI / 345 kPa)
Rear Tires: 285/35 ZR22 – 42 PSI (*50 PSI/ 345 kPa)
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Re: Tesla Model X

Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:01 pm

You would be shocked if you had real studless winter tires.
Also snow on it's own is not slippery surface. It can be fluffy and just cover
clean dry pavement. Trust me I know :lol:
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Charging: Trickle <3kW -- Normal 3-22kW -- Fast 50-100kW -- Supercharging >100kW

GRA
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:04 pm

Just to whip old, dead Dobbin some more, here's some of what Motor Trend had to say about the Model X in it's "SUV of the year" contest (where it was a finalist):
You’re looking at what could easily have been our 2017 SUV of the Year with two simplifications: fold-flat second-row seats to allow owners to carry big stuff inside the car and traditional rear doors to permit strapping stuff to the roof.

These gadgety, form-over-function errors cost the Model X dearly in our engineering excellence and performance of intended function criteria. The power front doors and the Rube Goldberg-esque falcon-wing rear doors both proved glitchy, occasionally striking adjacent cars and once peeling off a piece of its own rear quarter-window trim. Besides neutering the vehicle’s utility (prompting the quip “the U in SUV is silent here”), the mono-post seats rattle and don’t adjust comfortably. They lack inboard armrests, too.

Even that big windshield, which is super cool for stargazing, turned the Tesla into a convection oven on a sunny desert day.

“Everything that makes it great can be found on the Model S,” Jonny Lieberman said. “ Everything that’s new for the X is a gimmick or doesn’t work properly 100 percent of the time. . . .”
http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-mo ... -finalist/

At least the seats now fold. In another 4-5 years (assuming they're still around), they can dump the doors on Gen 2.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:33 pm

Via IEVS:
Tesla Model X Energy Consumption When Towing Various Trailers – Video
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-x-ener ... ers-video/
By Bjorn Nyland, includes chart comparing them for X60D/75D/90D/100D. Bottom line, it sucks (but we knew that).
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Re: Tesla Model X

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:37 pm

Via IEVS:
Tesla Recalls 53,000 Model S & X For Faulty Parking Brake
http://insideevs.com/tesla-recalls-5400 ... ing-brake/
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:58 am

Just over 30,000 miles on my 13 month old Model X and everything on it is working perfectly. Falcon Wing Doors are working great. I am not affected by the Tesla suppliers parking brake part issue.

Picked up a 5'x10' utility trailer in a nearby state recently on craigslist. Superchargers along the way but my consumption was reasonable anyway (380-390) given it was empty. Loading it up in the near future to take it to my sons where we are also going to do some projects and then leave it with him. Able to use Traffic Aware (Adaptive) Cruise Control but not AutoPilot/Steer while pulling a trailer.

Currently planning a 1,500 mile each way roadtrip using http://www.myscenicdrives.com to help determine how to break it up by days automatically and evtripping and evtripplanner to verify superchargers along the way and energy usage. Pretty simple so far. National parks, waterfalls hikes, etc in the planning.

Absolutely love the 'big sky' windshield and especially cool when traveling in the trees and national parks (trip above). Don't have ANY problems with heat from it. The area on it where a normal windshield would be has serious tinting just like a sunroof.

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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:27 pm

Love that last pic.
Glad your X is working out. Thinking of LEAF + S to 3 + X route myself.

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Re: Tesla Model X

Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:44 pm

sparky wrote:Love that last pic.
Glad your X is working out. Thinking of LEAF + S to 3 + X route myself.

Think how much better the view would be if he got out of the car! ;) Having once owned a convertible, everything else falls into the also-ran category, view-wise.
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