palmermd wrote: DaveinOlyWA wrote:
palmermd wrote:consumer reports is not a good source for car recommendations. heck, they even have a rating on the Model 3 and they've never even seen one, let alone touched one.
Hard to believe anyone can make a statement like this when the topic is the Reliability survey which is 100% customer sourced data??
Or is this your way of saying you prefer Motor Trend COTY months before a new model is released to the public??
Serious. 100% customer sourced and they have a Model 3 result? and Motor Trend COTY is an even less reliable source. I agree with one of the posts above CR is good for just the failure reports from readers, they are not good at rating the driver experience. But the fact they are rating the Model 3 and other brand new cars bothers me. I don't think they should provide any predicted reliability. That is getting away from just reporting data.
When CR predicts
reliability they so state, and give their reasons (e.g. "Previous versions of the '-' have had worse than average reliability"). No one should read anything more into it than what it says - it's a prediction, not a fact. The owner's reliability survey results are facts.
Re CR and the "driver experience,", they are good at ergonomic and functional issues, but they aren't writing for a driving enthusiast audience, so there's less energy (and adjectives) put into the subjective areas of driving feel, especially at performance extremes that the person using their car for more typical duty will never experience - while the typical C&D reader may place a lot more emphasis on steering or brake feel (not to mention how easy it is to get the tail out or whether the pedals are well-spaced to do a heel and toe downshift, even if most rarely do either), the typical CR reader has less or no interest in such matters. I'm generalizing, obviously. I value both, using each for what they're best at.