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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:18 pm

cwerdna wrote:Just became aware that Edmunds had a wrap-up on their long-term '16 Model X.

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-x/2 ... ap-up.html

Not surprisingly, under Maintenance & Repairs:
We learned something about Tesla maintenance from owning a Model S: There can be a lot of it. The general theme will feel familiar. During 20 months of ownership, our Model X went in for service seven times, spent 19 days out of commission, and had a total of 32 issues addressed.

The laundry list is there. They put on just shy of 25K miles.

Yikes! I kept thinking I was at the end of the list, but there was more scrolling to go. My reinforced opinion on FWD and electronic everything: Not just no, but hell, no! Of course, much of the list is due to Tesla QC issues, but there's enough left over to make me stay away if I were otherwise inclined to buy such a vehicle.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:20 pm

Yikes indeed. That is a long list of issues after only 20 months. QC has a long ways to go at Tesla it seems.
For my own list; after 7 months my tally of problems is... one.
The drivers seat (Ultra White), had a small opening in the seam at the back of the seat. I think it was there when I picked up the car. Took it to Tesla on a Saturday morning without an appt. They checked it and said "we're ordering a new seat".
Two weeks later, I had a new driver's seat.

Perhaps I've been lucky but this 2017 X90D has been great so far. Done a couple of snow trips, fantastic grip and handling (with winter tires). Enjoyed the cold-weather package; never thought about a heated steering wheel but it really does help warm you up. It is an energy pig, as most SUVs seem to be. 220 miles of range is realistic.
For my type of use, there's no other SUV I'd rather have, except a 100D.

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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:41 pm

Quality is improving as bugs get worked out? While folks battle to be at the front of the line for new Tesla models does a more rewarding experience lie at the end of the line?
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:20 pm

I've been very happy with my 100D (June 2017) build which replaced my P90D (Feb 2016). Everything is working well (FWD, homelink, autopilot 2). The AP2 functionality seems to work as well or better than the AP1 that I had. There were some common places I have driven both and the AP2 handled them better.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:52 am

In a nutshell; the quality is there but the consistency is not.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:49 pm

Model X Crash on 101

Tesla catches fire, driver seriously injured in Highway 101 crash...

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 01.111505/

Dramatic X crash and fire in the Bay area, multiple news links and photos at the thread above.

Comments indicate it fragmented on impact, that the front end did not melt in the fire.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:45 pm

The driver died at Stanford med center. First two photos (the rest are just Tesla stock fluff) here show the aftermath, including a front shot of the interior of the car (the rest is melted): https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Tesla-incinerates-after-violent-3-car-crash-on-12777162.php#photo-15279969
So, as the speculation on TMC asks, was the car on AP or not? That's the sort of gore point that might confuse AP - see the photo here: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-x-crash-on-us-101-mountain-view-ca.111505/page-4
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Re: Tesla Model X

Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:24 pm

^^^
https://twitter.com/Anoushah_Rasta/stat ... 0215901184 has a video w/a closeup of the front of the Model X.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiQdSaRDzvc

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/0 ... ery-crash/ has a pointer to another video at https://www.facebook.com/CBSSanFrancisc ... 210384436/.

I don't go thru that area much any more, but yeah, the splits there can be a bit confusing. I usually would take 85 south or 101 south and not the carpool portion.

The first raw video at https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/S ... 62763.html (about 1/3 of the way down) shows the Model X with only a small fire (which later grew much larger).

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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:12 pm

cwerdna wrote:^^^ <snip>
I don't go thru that area much any more, but yeah, the splits there can be a bit confusing. I usually would take 85 south or 101 south and not the carpool portion.

OTOH, that's the heart of Silicon Valley, so if any area should have digital maps that are up to date, as well as lots of A/P experience with that merge it should be this one. I'm leaning towards a late manual merge such as the one shown on the TMC page I linked to^^^ as the cause, but we'll just have to see.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:02 am

This was a horrific crash and a tragedy for the family of the man who died.
I think the AP issue is irrelevant. AP always comes on with a "keep both hands on wheel... be ready to take control at any time.." graphic. In my experience with AP (even the newest release) I would never let it navigate that interchange except perhaps as an active participant in a test during minimal traffic.

I'm more convinced, based on other TMC posts, that the gore-point barrier hardware was not in place and that is what made this crash so deadly. Based on crash test videos of the sort of barrier at this location, I find it incredible that the Model X would have sustained such damage if a working barrier was present. Anecdotally, from other recent videos posted and many Google maps excerpts, this location seems to have frequent impacts and is often awaiting barrier repair. That's my speculation. Sad event, regardless.

https://youtu.be/bQLzdnf-5UQ

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