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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:56 am

CHAdeMO or other quick charge is essential to a serious EV.

Dropping it for the US version is brain dead.

Scratch the long waited for Mitsubishi Outlander from my list.

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:11 pm

finman100 wrote:I use my Chademo port all the time ('14 Leaf SV).

Here in the PNW the DC chademo chargers are all over the place. everywhere i like to go EV! the coast, the mountains, I-5, clear up into Seattle. you name it. Aeroenvironment is nearly flawless. Others...um, not so much but tolerable for now. I do wish more stalls per location would happen.

dual-power stations seem to be slowly making the scene. CCS and Chademo in one box. Most recently a CCS-only charger in the Albany Freddies parking lot has popped up. Maybe there is a plan for more.

My Leaf is MUCH less usable if it did not have a QC port. Even less usable if had a CCS port! my 2 cents.


Would you still plug in if it took 30 minutes to get 20 miles of range and you had a gas tank that would give you 400 miles in 3 minutes?

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:51 pm

dm33 wrote:CHAdeMO or other quick charge is essential to a serious EV.

Dropping it for the US version is brain dead.

Scratch the long waited for Mitsubishi Outlander from my list.


I kind of see CHAdeMO being not as useful with a smaller pack, you spend 30 minutes to gain what, 20 miles? Will it have 7kW OBC at least? That's a big plus in my book as charging stations at my workplace bill by the hour.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:10 pm

I would use a QC port on my PHEV every time I could, if it was available. Of course, I'm in the minority / enthusiast crowd and want to support the network so it will continue to grow. As far as Ford is concerned, they included one. Like pkulak said; it's on the passenger's side, towards the rear of the car.

finman100 wrote:My Leaf is MUCH less usable if it did not have a QC port. Even less usable if had a CCS port! my 2 cents.


How would your Leaf be any less useful with a CCS port than without a QC port at all? That statement seems silly.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:54 pm

There are fewer CCS charging stations than Chademo. Quite a few less in fact!

Yes, I would plug in whenever possible.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:13 pm

But your comment isn't comparing CHAdeMO to CCS. You are comparing no QC port at all to CCS. So CHAdeMO is completely irrelevant.

Maybe you misspoke?

finman100 wrote:My Leaf is MUCH less usable if it did not have a QC port. Even less usable if had a CCS port! my 2 cents.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:07 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:I would use a QC port on my PHEV every time I could, if it was available. Of course, I'm in the minority / enthusiast crowd and want to support the network so it will continue to grow. As far as Ford is concerned, they included one. Like pkulak said; it's on the passenger's side, towards the rear of the car. <snip>

I just don't see any point of QC for PHEVs. I think the bolded section is really the point; do we want to build EVs for the enthusiasts, or for the mainstream? I assume that the goal is to build them for the mainstream, and there's no way the mainstream (or me FTM, and I'm way outside the mainstream as far as what accommodations I'm willing to make to reduce fossil fuel use) is going to opt to use more expensive and slower QC when a far faster, cheaper, longer-ranged and universally distributed option is available.

At least, I believe that's the case, and I'd love to see some data on what percentage of i3REx owners also bought the CCS option, and what portion of those actually use it when they can instead just put gas in the car and be on their way again almost immediately. I don't know if Tom Moloughney has CCS on his i3REx, but I note that he posted an article/video about a road trip he took to Vermont, where he made a point of noting how quickly he could fill the gas tank and be back on the road.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:09 pm

GRA wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:I would use a QC port on my PHEV every time I could, if it was available. Of course, I'm in the minority / enthusiast crowd and want to support the network so it will continue to grow. As far as Ford is concerned, they included one. Like pkulak said; it's on the passenger's side, towards the rear of the car. <snip>

I just don't see any point of QC for PHEVs. I think the bolded section is really the point; do we want to build EVs for the enthusiasts, or for the mainstream? I assume that the goal is to build them for the mainstream, and there's no way the mainstream (or me FTM, and I'm way outside the mainstream as far as what accommodations I'm willing to make to reduce fossil fuel use) is going to opt to use more expensive and slower QC when a far faster, cheaper, longer-ranged and universally distributed option is available.


Agreed 100%. And that's the rub. PHEVs will do wonders to reduce petroleum usage in the next decade. They will even give people the "EV Bug" or whatever you want to call it. What they will not do is provide significant demand for public charging. It just doesn't make sense for the owners.

Over the Thanksgiving weekend, I visited family in Vermont. I frequently charged my PHEV at the downtown parking garage and walked up the hill from there. But I went a little out of my way to 1) reduce gas consumption and 2) support the local public EVSEs. Fortunately for me, they were reasonably priced at $0.17/kWh. Which is roughly equivalent to the price of gas at the time ($2/gallon).

GRA wrote:At least, I believe that's the case, and I'd love to see some data on what percentage of i3REx owners also bought the CCS option, and what portion of those actually use it when they can instead just put gas in the car and be on their way again almost immediately. I don't know if Tom Moloughney has CCS on his i3REx, but I note that he posted an article/video about a road trip he took to Vermont, where he made a point of noting how quickly he could fill the gas tank and be back on the road.


Interesting that you quote Tom's journey. I read his writeup about it on insideEVs, in which he specifically mentions a stop to use his CCS QC at the NA BMW headquarters in NJ. So yes, he has the REx and CCS. And yes, he goes out of his way to charge at the slower (although in this case, free) QCs he comes across. But Tom is also way outside of the mainstream.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:33 pm

So lets look at main stream. in a fleet, like the post office, police department or power Co. the car and trucks go out in the mornings, come back mid day for 20 min, go back out . come back for lunch 30 min. go out for the afternoon. I would like to have the fast charge option on a volt. They go out in the morning, then they are on gas for the rest of the day. the cars never charge to full till they come back at night. the drivers want to know why they have to drive this stupid car, that we are on there ass to plug in when they park. " The car will only gain like 4 miles and I will leave soon anyway get off my back!"
The Mitsubishi looks great, the 3 being tested in Orange county at the RD center work well . I think that for the main steam, a mid size all wheel drive SUV that seats 7 is a home run. this truck will do big things. I hope there is enough of them.

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:22 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
GRA wrote:At least, I believe that's the case, and I'd love to see some data on what percentage of i3REx owners also bought the CCS option, and what portion of those actually use it when they can instead just put gas in the car and be on their way again almost immediately. I don't know if Tom Moloughney has CCS on his i3REx, but I note that he posted an article/video about a road trip he took to Vermont, where he made a point of noting how quickly he could fill the gas tank and be back on the road.

Interesting that you quote Tom's journey. I read his writeup about it on insideEVs, in which he specifically mentions a stop to use his CCS QC at the NA BMW headquarters in NJ. So yes, he has the REx and CCS. And yes, he goes out of his way to charge at the slower (although in this case, free) QCs he comes across. But Tom is also way outside of the mainstream.

Thanks, I'd forgotten many of the details of his trip. I knew he'd installed a 24kW QC at the restaurant, but couldn't remember if he used it or if it was intended just for customers.
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