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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:28 am

speedski97 wrote:So lets look at main stream. in a fleet, like the post office, police department or power Co. the car and trucks go out in the mornings, come back mid day for 20 min, go back out . come back for lunch 30 min. go out for the afternoon. I would like to have the fast charge option on a volt. They go out in the morning, then they are on gas for the rest of the day. the cars never charge to full till they come back at night. the drivers want to know why they have to drive this stupid car, that we are on there ass to plug in when they park. " The car will only gain like 4 miles and I will leave soon anyway get off my back!"
The Mitsubishi looks great, the 3 being tested in Orange county at the RD center work well . I think that for the main steam, a mid size all wheel drive SUV that seats 7 is a home run. this truck will do big things. I hope there is enough of them.


It will be 5 seat with the same boot volume as a normal 5 seat outlander, but not the extra 2 seats of the 7 seater.

Small but important details seem quite improved, initial acceleration, noise and vibration. Its kinda like the got they memo to make the car comparable to what the brits/dutch were trading in, as opposed to just being another Outlander.

(Brits were trading in company lease cars like Land Rover etc.)

and no, in general they look so similar to a the normal Outlander (of same model year) that the main way to tell its a PHEV is if there is a charge/petrol port) on both sides.

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:15 am

Why Mitsubishi Is Making a Big Mistake By Removing CHAdeMO Quick Charging on U.S. Outlander Plug-in Hybrid

...We, like many, are disappointed by this decision. And it leaves us just one question left: does Mitsubishi really want to sell the Outlander PHEV in North America — or is its doubtful attitude to the market going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy of market failure?

https://transportevolved.com/2016/01/08 ... in-hybrid/

While I agree with the writer that this decision By Mitsubishi USA is another example of corporate self-abuse, I think she and others have missed the fundamental reason every vehicle with a significant battery pack should have a DC port.

While today many think of vehicle batteries as only having a single purpose, vehicle propulsion, I think in only a few years this point of view will be widely viewed to have been very short-sighted.

Every kWh in every vehicle pack has the potential to be used for other purposes, vehicle to grid, vehicle to microgrid, or as a mobile electricity source at off-grid locations or during grid failures.

Access the mobile kWh in your vehicle will almost certainly be through a DC port, accessed by an off-vehicle charge/discharge device.

This is one reason why the dedicated CHAdeMO DC port, is superior IMO in concept to any combo AC/DC port, such as the SAE/CCS.

So, Mitsubishi is essentially getting rid of the wrong charge port.

Eventually some "plug-in" manufacturer will have the foresight to omit the truly useless hardware on it's PHEV/ BEV, the AC onboard charger, leaving the single charge port you need on your BEV/BEVx/PHEV, the DC one.

Take my on-board charger...PLEASE!

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:20 am

Oh god no. Put as much hardware in my car and under my control as possible.

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:33 am

My favorite quote from a reviewer about the Mitsubishi Outlander is, "It would have been a good vehicle in 2006... Today, it is simply not even an also-ran..." I think that sums it up nicely!

Mitsu had the PHEV at CES and I looked at it in detail. I walked away very unimpressed...
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:09 pm

Is it because of the aging platform or the PHEV tech?
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:28 pm

All platform. The drivetrain is really nice.

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:57 pm

The aging platform. As a vehicle, it is a full generation behind everything else in the class, even with the recent updates... It simply is uncompetitive.

Valdemar wrote:Is it because of the aging platform or the PHEV tech?
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:08 pm

Not that I'd call it gospel but they had someone on Live with Regis(or whatever it's called now) and they were talking about the NY auto show going on now?? Anyway one of the cars they talked about was the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. I looked at the Outlander recently at my local auto show but they didn't have the PHEV nor really know anything about it. I was looking at several PHEV's mainly because I wanted a larger vehicle than my Leaf. I really liked the Chrysler Pacifica PHEV but was turned off by it's probable $50K+ initial price, but liked it's possible 30+ EV range and seating for up to 8. The '16 ICE Outlanders started at $22.9K so I had high hopes for the PHEV being reasonably priced. Well on Live they said it would start at $40k and have a range of up to 20 miles electric only :( If thats the case I'm really disappointed, I mean for $18k I can buy a lot of gas, especially if my range is only 20 miles of pure EV. No wonder Mitsubishi is failing miserably in the US :( I'm also not too happy I'd lose the 3rd row on the Mits. going with the PHEV(not the case with the Chrysler but one does lose the 2nd row sto-n-go) but I could have probably lived with that.

So what I know for now about the Outlander PHEV vs ICE Outlander:
$18k+ premium on price
Limited 20 mile EV only range
Lose 3rd row seating

Isn't starting to stack up too well IMO.

Again whether it's true or not, one of the sales guys at the Mpls. auto show said within the next 2 weeks(he had an exact date but I forgot it) Mitsubishi was going to announce much more about the PHEV version.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:46 pm

Via GCR:
2017 Mitsubishi Outlander: delayed for U.S. again, specs may change
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... may-change

Saying November now.
. . .The pack will remain around the 12 kwh it’s currently rated, and it will still be supplied by LEJ, but Fedorak said that some details remain to be finalized. That could mean changes to the battery’s cell chemistry or power characteristics, all aimed at drivability, and getting significant all-electric range in American driving conditions. . . .

“It’s not the European spec" that the company will bring in, he said. "We’re tailoring it for the U.S. market, and that’s affecting range, MPGe, acceleration, and performance numbers, too.”
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:13 pm

^^^ they say it's tailored for the US market but if so then why the heck wouldn't they do as the Volt has done and Pacifica will be doing, instead of making the battery pack 12Kwh upgrade it to 16Kwh for the the maximum rebate :roll: doesn't sound like they really know what the US market is doing.....
22 ish mile range :cry: personally I won't be interested unless it could make the magic 30, which could probably be done if they'd opt for the 16 instead of 12....
The lack of a third row is also short sited, I mean it wouldn't have to fold flat(like the Pacifica is doing) but to remain competitive I'd think it should really have the 3rd row as an option, another thing telling me Mitsubishi is clueless AFA the American market.....the way Mitsubishi is going with the delays they'll be lucky to have it out before they bail on the US market for good......
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