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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Wed May 11, 2016 3:57 pm

FWIW, Nissan seems to be in talks to take control of Mitsubishi Motors http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Deals/M ... san-s-help perhaps 30%

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Thu May 12, 2016 5:53 am

It's official: Nissan is going to take a 34% share of Mitsubishi Motors http://jalopnik.com/nissan-will-take-co ... 1776219367
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Thu May 12, 2016 12:45 pm

RonDawg wrote:I'm not worried about Mitsubishi Automobiles surviving as a company. They are part of a huge conglomerate which undoubtedly helps the auto side of their business work. If Suzuki can continue to survive (albeit outside the US now), so can Mitsubishi.

It used to be the case that Mitsu was part of the conglomerate. Apparently not anymore - they operate more like independent companies - and the system companies aren't really doing well and can't support Mitsu Motors.

The news of Nissan buying part of the stake makes that situation clear.

Now, the question is - will Ghosn start influencing these kinds of decisions of Mitsu (on whether or when to get the PHEV to US) or will he keep his distance ?
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Thu May 12, 2016 4:58 pm

evnow wrote:
Now, the question is - will Ghosn start influencing these kinds of decisions of Mitsu (on whether or when to get the PHEV to US) or will he keep his distance ?


As long as Mitsubishi federal rebate quota does not interfere with Nissan's. Mitsubishi will simply hold schedule, probably with a bit extra funding from Nissan.

More importantly, this tie up probably assists Mitsubishi in bring its XR-PHEV to market (Outlander Sport PHEV). If Nissan can borrow some of that tech, it could result in something like a Nissan Rogue PHEV at a price similar to a what a hypothetical 6cyl Rogue would've cost.

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri May 13, 2016 9:46 am

ydnas7 wrote:As long as Mitsubishi federal rebate quota does not interfere with Nissan's. Mitsubishi will simply hold schedule, probably with a bit extra funding from Nissan.

Fairly sure those companies will be treated separately. Nissan doesn't own majority stake in Mitsu - even if it did, not sure what IRS would do. If they are different registered companies in US, they will probably get their own 200k quotas.

One place where it can help - is by having common dealers i.e. having Nissan dealers selling Mitsus and the other way round.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Mon May 16, 2016 6:21 am

evnow wrote:
ydnas7 wrote:As long as Mitsubishi federal rebate quota does not interfere with Nissan's. Mitsubishi will simply hold schedule, probably with a bit extra funding from Nissan.

Fairly sure those companies will be treated separately. Nissan doesn't own majority stake in Mitsu - even if it did, not sure what IRS would do. If they are different registered companies in US, they will probably get their own 200k quotas.

One place where it can help - is by having common dealers i.e. having Nissan dealers selling Mitsus and the other way round.


It's similar to when Ford owned a stake in Mazda; its not a 'controlling' interest so the Fed Tax Credit should still be applied separately; Ford also had about 1/3 (33.4%) so we can probably expect the same kind of cross-platform cars and trucks within both companies. The Ford divesture also sold their interest in Jaguar, Land Rover, etc. and the Jag brand is now coming back (better reliability, new models that are actually selling as well as offering a 5-year free maintenance plan) so I think this should be very positive for both companies.

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:48 pm

Via IEVS:
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Again Delayed In US Until Summer 2017, Another Weak Excuse Given
http://insideevs.com/mitsubishi-outland ... mmer-2017/
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:21 pm

GRA wrote:Via IEVS:
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Again Delayed In US Until Summer 2017, Another Weak Excuse Given
http://insideevs.com/mitsubishi-outland ... er-2017/...

Not surprising.

Mitsubishi can sell all the Outlander PHEV's it can produce at a profit outside the USA, and this model is in fact in second place world-wide so far this year in PHEV sales.

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2016/07/wo ... ition.html

The fact is, Mitsu would probably need to discount the Outlander PHEV to such an extent that it would be a money-loser in the USA, just as most other mass market PHEVs are.

The American vehicle market is an anomaly due to very low gas prices, which some people seem not to realize undercuts the competiveness of PHEVs, far more than they do BEVs.

Take a look at this chart from ~five years ago, to remind yourself how unlikely the current combination of low battery and low gas prices seemed when the BEVs and PHEVs being produced today were undergoing development:

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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:08 pm

I think that Nissan was looking at the ZEV credit allocations, and thinking that if they can sell re-badged Leafs as Mitsubishis, and re-badged Outlander PHEVs as Nissans, it could be very good for both companies. That's just an off the cuff analysis, though.
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Re: Official Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV thread

Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:28 pm

No wonder Mitsubishi can't seem to sell vehicles in this country......I mean if they came up with a revamped PHEV Outlander they might actually sell something.......don't want that though, do they :roll:
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