GRA wrote:What I'm mainly concerned with on a PHEV (one that has a real hold mode) is Hwy mpg running solely on gas. To me, anyone who cares about maximizing their efficiency and minimizing local pollution will save the battery for urban stop and go, where it provides the greatest benefit, making City MPG irrelevant. What I've not yet been able to find is a breakdown of the Outlander's City and Hwy MPG, but the combined rating indicates that Hwy rating won't be anything special, probably under 30.
In Europe, the reason for running in EV mode in cities is so one doesn't have to pay to pollute. Efficiency's not the primary factor.
Yes, and we're starting to see congestion-pricing zones being considered here, and may well see ZEV-only zones at some future date, at leastIi hope so.
I think this is useful info for your concern for highway economy. <snip>
As luck, ignorance, and mission needs would have it, I managed to spend most of my drive outside the zone where the ICE was most efficient. That's how I 'earned' the worst-case EPA economy for the trip.http://www.myoutlanderphev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3444
In addition to driving speed, it also appears that it's more efficient to cruise with less then 1/2 charge on the battery. That and about 63 MPH will return about 32.7 MPG. Economy will drop a bit as the battery's charged (31.7 MPG) but that number will increase when one uses the electricity they've generated to drive around town.
That's not too shabby for a comfortable AWD 4000lb wagon.
[For a point of reference...in order to make it to my in-law's place in my smart (with her city car aerodynamics
) I had no problem on the interstate, but had to keep my speed down to 55. Driving faster meant that I didn't have enough charge to make it to a charge location. As it was, I'd often drag in to Fredericksburg with 1-2% remaining and a max speed of 30. Being able to drive 63 on the highway is a nice upgrade.
Thanks for the above. I remain unimpressed by the Outlander's HWY mpg, given the other choices available. I get 29-31 on the road in my 15 year old Forester at 65-70 (dry, flat, moderate temps, no wind, no accessories other than fan), and it's a brick! Admittedly, it's also somewhat smaller and much lighter (3,095 lb. curb weight) than the Outlander.
Have you had a chance to try Hold mode stop and go/urban, HEV highway? Personally, I can't see much point in Charge mode, except if you're about to enter an urban area where ICE use is banned and you don't have enough battery left, as it would seem to be the least efficient method of charging. For me, I'd do that as much to reduce local air pollution as for efficiency.
On a positive note, is a possible that people have been desperately waiting so long for any AWD PHCUV that the Outlander's going to be a hit here, despite its rather pedestrian specs?Personally, if I had
to buy a new AWD CUV now, it's the only PHEV game in town and I could live with it, but I'd rather wait for something better. Via IEVS:
Mitsubishi Dealerships In U.S. Asking For More Outlander PHEV SUVs
[ Don Swearingen, COO of Mitsubishi Motors North America]
“Swearingen said he’s hearing of customer fervor around the Outlander PHEV that he hasn’t heard in years for a Mitsubishi product. Some stores, he said, are selling the vehicles before they arrive on lots.
In a call with dealers, Swearingen said many had a common question: How do I get more Outlander PHEVs?
Swearingen said the vehicle could be a halo for the brand.”
Needless to say, Mitsubishi hasn’t garnered much success in the U.S. as of late. However, last year a gradual change began. The automaker sold 103,686 vehicles, after not surpassing 100,000 since 2007. Plans for the future start with a goal of 130,000 sales per year inside of the next three years.
If the Outlander PHEV can bring newfound, positive attention to the brand, perhaps it will be able to sell other vehicles well, along with expanding its lineup. . . .
If so, good news for Mitsubishi, and I will have been proved wrong.