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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:58 pm

Note that Grasonville isn't yet officially open, and Sarasota only became official last night (after I checked it) or today. Also, McAllen just officially opened last week, after having been reported open and then shut at supercharge.info for a few weeks. We're now at 9 officially in the U.S. for the month, and hopefully they'll be in the middle teens by the end, the first month this year U.S. openings will be in the double digits.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:39 pm

GRA wrote:Note that Grasonville isn't yet officially open, and Sarasota only became official last night (after I checked it) or today. Also, McAllen just officially opened last week, after having been reported open and then shut at supercharge.info for a few weeks. We're now at 9 officially in the U.S. for the month, and hopefully they'll be in the middle teens by the end, the first month this year U.S. openings will be in the double digits.

Quite a few construction cones on the crowdsourced site .... (and of course others in progress but not discovered)

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:42 pm

The long needed and awaited SC in South Lake Tahoe (it's actually in Stateline) with 14 stalls at the Hard Rock Cafe/Casino is now open, and has been used. Erwin, NY has also officially opened, although it appears that not all of the stalls are usable yet. This makes 11 U.S. SCs that have officially opened so far this month. Grasonville, MD remains unofficial.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:29 pm

GRA wrote:The long needed and awaited SC in South Lake Tahoe (it's actually in Stateline) with 14 stalls at the Hard Rock Cafe/Casino is now open, and has been used.

Great news! I'd have preferred a location in SLT proper, as it's more of a crossroads and doesn't seem to get as congested as Stateline, but I understand that Stateline is more of a destination and likely has cheaper electricity because it's in Nevada. (I love how the state line is marked at a pedestrian-oriented intersection there.) Anyway, it's good to have an SC in that area.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:18 pm

abasile wrote:
GRA wrote:The long needed and awaited SC in South Lake Tahoe (it's actually in Stateline) with 14 stalls at the Hard Rock Cafe/Casino is now open, and has been used.

Great news! I'd have preferred a location in SLT proper, as it's more of a crossroads and doesn't seem to get as congested as Stateline, but I understand that Stateline is more of a destination and likely has cheaper electricity because it's in Nevada. (I love how the state line is marked at a pedestrian-oriented intersection there.) Anyway, it's good to have an SC in that area.

Pretty much everyone would have preferred an SC in SLT near the Y, and Tesla tried (with the help of El Dorado County) for two years to find someone to host one there, with no success.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:50 pm

End of August summary. 12 U.S. SCs opened last month, making 51 for the year and 391 total: Falls Creek, PA (8/2; I-80); Steele, AL (8/9; I-59); Rock Springs, WY (8/10; I-80); Pinellas Park, FL (8/10; Jct. U.S. 19/92, St. Petersburg suburb); Monterey, CA (8/10; S.R. 1); Guilderland, NY (8/16; Jct. I-87/90); Sarasota, FL (8/19; I-75); Live Oak, FL (8/20; Jct. I-10/ U.S. 129); McAllen, TX (8/20; I-2, near jct. U.S. 69C); Breezewood, PA (8/25; Jct. I-70/76); Stateline, NV (8/25; Jct. U.S. 50/S.R. 207, dest. SC at south end of Lake Tahoe); Erwin, NY (8/25; Jct. I-86/99).

One other SC, in Grasonville, MD has been reported used by customers but isn't officially open.

35 U.S. SCs (including the 1 above) are known to be under construction: Sacramento, Fremont - Kato Rd., Burbank - Town Center, Salinas and Yermo, CA; Tucson, AZ; Rawlins and Laramie WY; Colby, KS; Austin, TX; Green Bay, WI; Chicago - Lakeshore and Rolling Meadows, IL; Dickson and Cookeville, TN; Traverse City and Lansing, MI; Ft. Wayne, IN; Coral Gables, FL; Morgantown, Weston and Beckley, WV; Charlottesville, VA; Irwin, Hermitage and Franklin Park, PA; Aberdeen, Grasonville, National Harbor, North East and La Vale, MD; Burlington, NJ; Danbury, CT; Leominster, MA.
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1 Canadian SC, In Edmonton, AB opened last month, making 28 total.

2 Canadian SCs are known to be under construction: Saint-Romuald and Brossard, QC.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:39 am

GRA wrote:35 U.S. SCs (including the 1 above) are known to be under construction, which I believe is the highest total ever: Sacramento, Fremont - Kato Rd., Burbank - Town Center, Salinas and Yermo, CA; Tucson, AZ; Rawlins and Laramie WY; Colby, KS; Austin, TX; Green Bay, WI; Chicago - Lakeshore and Rolling Meadows, IL; Dickson and Cookeville, TN; Traverse City and Lansing, MI; Ft. Wayne, IN; Coral Gables, FL; Morgantown, Weston and Beckley, WV; Charlottesville, VA; Irwin, Hermitage and Franklin Park, PA; Aberdeen, Grasonville, National Harbor, North East and La Vale, MD; Burlington, NJ; Danbury, CT; Leominster, MA.


Sept counts starting strong ;) Lot of construction cones

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:28 pm

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GRA wrote:35 U.S. SCs (including the 1 above) are known to be under construction, which I believe is the highest total ever: <snip>
Note, the bold is a leftover from the end of July summary, when the total under construction on August 1st was 36. I've removed that from my post.

scottf200 wrote:Sept counts starting strong ;) Lot of construction cones

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Note that while Rawlins is officially open, Laramie isn't yet. I've been trying to get Blueshift not to post such sites as open, when they may just have been powered up briefly for testing and then Tesla shut them down owing to a problem discovered during testing, not to be opened for a period that can range from a few days to a few weeks or even over a month. We've had this happen with Rock Springs, Wy, Erwin, NY and McAllen, TX just recently.

That being said, with the opening of Rawlins it's now possible for any Model S/X to drive I-80 coast-to-coast, albeit with varying levels of care in smaller battery (<=75kWh) cars. It will take Laramie, WY, Hermitage (was to be W. Middlesex) and probably Bellefonte, PA, plus maybe one or two more in Nevada (say Battle Mountain and Wells) to remove all limitations. Hermitage is under construction, Bellefonte is planned.

It's a pity that once again they only got a major route like I-80 open (and that just barely) at the end of or after the summer vacation season, and little or nothing has been done as far as Kayenta, the I-15/Kalispell SCs in Montana, or completing I-10 (Tucson was just begun) or I-25. A few days ago Elon tweeted that North Dakota and Trans-Canada wouldn't happen until 2018, at the same time in which they wanted to be able to do Canada to Central America. While I've said repeatedly that I-94 from Billings to Fargo is probably the very last section of primary interstate that needs to be completed, and Trans-Canada probably isn't urgent either, the failure to at least extend I-94 from the Twin Cities to Fargo and then up I-29 to Winnipeg strikes me as odd - the Winnipeg metro area has a greater population than all of N.D., of which Fargo is the largest city.

If you go upthread back to February, you'll see Tesla's Q4 announcement that they planned to double the number of SC sites in North America this year. I was extremely skeptical then, as there were 340 in the U.S., 23? in Canada at the end of last year, and I wrote I thought they'd be lucky to add 150 in the U.S., as they'd never completed more than 102 (in the U.S.) in any prior year. As noted in my immediately preceding post they've completed only 51 in the U.S. plus 5 each in Canada and Mexico through August, so if anything I wasn't skeptical enough. They'll begin to deal with construction weather delays soon, and while they usually sprint at the end of the year to make the numbers look better, IIRR they've never managed to open more than 16 U.S. SCs in any one month to date - they'd need to average almost 25/month for the U.S. the rest of the year just to get to 150. I leave it to others to estimate the likelihood of that for yourselves.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:02 pm

I'm sure there are many sites in play and many complications we have no clue about.

Sept 3 is pretty busy already too.

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:39 pm

scottf200 wrote:I'm sure there are many sites in play and many complications we have no clue about.

As there always are, and which are entirely predictable in general terms, but not site-specific. Tesla has repeatedly chosen to pretend that such issues won't occur, which is why their schedule claims have so little credibility.

scottf200 wrote:Sept 3 is pretty busy already too.

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La Vale is useful on I-68, bypassing the tolls on I-70/76; Carlisle complements Harrisburg on the west side, a the I-76/81 junction. Aberdeen is a capacity infill. I believe the SC still to complete in that area that will be the most significant is Morgantown (along with Breezewood), at the I-68/79 junction. La Vale is almost exactly in the middle of the 140 mile I-68 Hagerstown - Morgantown leg.

Baker will be much appreciated by people coming back from Vegas in strong headwinds (an SC should have been built there first, instead of Primm), and also enables Death Valley loops via Beatty and/or Lone Pine. Yermo will take some of the weight off Barstow (and Baker westbound).
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