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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:18 pm

First of all, if you were going to drive cross country in a Bolt, wouldn't you need to stop at a Chiropractor every few hundred miles because of your butt pain? :)

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:22 pm

Randy wrote:First of all, if you were going to drive cross country in a Bolt, wouldn't you need to stop at a Chiropractor every few hundred miles because of your butt pain? :)


No, because most people do not have a problem with the seats. Only some do. So... we would be eating and using the restroom instead. ;)
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:20 am

scottf200 wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote: always hit a 150A charger exactly where you needed it,...

If absolutely every condition was perfect (and assuming you averaged EPA efficiency), the Bolt could do it in 55 hours.
In reality, Tony's prediction is more likely to be the case today.
Haha, come on... what a ridiculous theoretical post.


Glad you found it useful?

I gave an absolute lower bound for the trip. Obviously my assumptions are unrealistic, and I tried to make that perfectly clear.

The Bolt faces two problems for long trips - charger availability and charging speed. IMO, the former (availability) is far more of an issue than the latter (speed). The former will improve over time. The latter will likely improve in updates to future model years.

The very question itself is only of limited value in the first place. I rarely drive more than 300 miles in a single day. I haven't driven more than 600 in a day since I moved back east in 2006, and drove from CA to NY. I am planning a 500+ mile trip this summer, down to VA. I fully intend to take the Bolt. I will have no problem convincing the family to take a 30 minute break every so often - no need to make it a "cannonball run" style drive.

Believe me, I wish I had access to something like the Supercharger Network. But people make it out to be an absolute deal killer for travelling with any non-Tesla BEV. It isn't.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:59 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
scottf200 wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote: always hit a 150A charger exactly where you needed it,...

If absolutely every condition was perfect (and assuming you averaged EPA efficiency), the Bolt could do it in 55 hours.
In reality, Tony's prediction is more likely to be the case today.
Haha, come on... what a ridiculous theoretical post.

...
The very question itself is only of limited value in the first place. I rarely drive more than 300 miles in a single day. I haven't driven more than 600 in a day since I moved back east in 2006, and drove from CA to NY. I am planning a 500+ mile trip this summer, down to VA. I fully intend to take the Bolt. I will have no problem convincing the family to take a 30 minute break every so often - no need to make it a "cannonball run" style drive.

Believe me, I wish I had access to something like the Supercharger Network. But people make it out to be an absolute deal killer for travelling with any non-Tesla BEV. It isn't.
That's a fair response. One of the biggest fears/annoyances for me would be how few 'stalls'/plugs there are at each location. You could easily be behind people who are not even around their cars to move them when done. Or you could be ICEd. These problems would really screw up your planning (and test your/families patient). Much much less of a problem at SuperChargers.

Say, I just logged into PlugShare and noticed they have a "Trip Planner". Perhaps that will be useful? Article on it: https://recargo.freshdesk.com/support/s ... guide-tips
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:01 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:I am planning a 500+ mile trip this summer, down to VA. I fully intend to take the Bolt.

On our trip to MD last summer, there were combo CHAdeMO/CCS chargers in several places right next to the SuperCharger installations (e.g., along the NJ Turnpike). Usually it was 2 combos vs. 8 SuperCharger stalls. I got the impression that a Bolt could very well so the same drive we were doing (albeit slower).
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:43 pm

jlv wrote:On our trip to MD last summer, there were combo CHAdeMO/CCS chargers in several places right next to the SuperCharger installations (e.g., along the NJ Turnpike). Usually it was 2 combos vs. 8 SuperCharger stalls. I got the impression that a Bolt could very well so the same drive we were doing (albeit slower).
I think it would be pretty selective routes and likely twice as long.

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:42 pm

Those comparison pictures are all that needs said. :)

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:17 pm

jlv wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:I am planning a 500+ mile trip this summer, down to VA. I fully intend to take the Bolt.

On our trip to MD last summer, there were combo CHAdeMO/CCS chargers in several places right next to the SuperCharger installations (e.g., along the NJ Turnpike). Usually it was 2 combos vs. 8 SuperCharger stalls. I got the impression that a Bolt could very well so the same drive we were doing (albeit slower).


That would require taking the NJ Turnpike - no way am I doing that. I'm coming from Syracuse, so I'll be traveling through PA instead. The only real tricky park is Syracuse-to-Philly. There is a welcome center in NY with a CCS charger, but I'll have to do a U-turn to get to it (technically, get off the highway in PA, turn around, and go back into NY). I am heavily dependent on that charger being operational and available. Once I'm at Philly, I'll drive through the DelMarVa peninsula, which is well covered.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:20 pm

Sorry for the confusion - I was specifically replying to GetOffYourGas about his plan to take his Bolt down the east coast. That trip might be doable. I've updated my post with the part I was responding to.


In no way was I implying the general DCFC infrastructure (CCS or otherwise) to be anything close to the SC infrastructure. The SC network is the reason I bought a Model S and it's why I've been able to put over 16K miles on it in under a year. SC is a massive competitive advantage to Tesla.

Up here in New England it seems like the SC network is growing by leaps and bounds: it sure seems like it has close to doubled in the last year.

Case in point: This past weekend I took a 250 mile trip to Maine to go skiing at a ski area we visit every year. The trip was only doable because the ski area had a destination charger. Tesla has 3 additional SC sites planned on that route that should be open when we take the trip again next year.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Yup, the supercharger network is the envy of all non-Tesla BEV drivers. But Tesla's very existence depends on it to an extent. It's one of the few reasons they have half a million Model 3 reservations while Chevy only sold 23k Bolts in 2017.

I do believe that the other automakers are coming around. Tesla has a massive head start, but I believe that CCS will catch up and overtake it. To me, it's only a question of when (5 years? 10 years?). If nothing else, it has the backing of several large corporations, as well as governments. After all, what did the CCS network look like 2 years ago? Practically non existent. It only looks sparse today because Tesla far exceeds it. But compared to a few years ago, it has just exploded.
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