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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:22 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:...Who cares how many SC stations have been installed?

TSLA shareholders, who lose more money with each installation?

They should care...

BEV drivers who are not foolish enough to buy a Tesla?

Public DC infrastructure should concern them, but Tesla's restricted charge stations are useless to them, of course.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:22 pm

edatoakrun wrote:BEV drivers who can't afford to buy a Tesla?

There, I fixed your post.

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:13 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
scottf200 wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:No, Tesla Supercharger most definitely does not outnumber CHAdeMO compliant chargers in the world.
CHAdeMO is over 16,000.

What percentage are *just* in Japan tho?


prob about half. besides this is not what the convo is about. Its only concerning Tesla "falling down" on its projection for installs this year, correct?

No, every year since 2015 (or 2014 if you wish to be stricter), along with every other major production or deployment schedule they've announced, whether vehicle, SC or swapping station. If those who are comfortable with this are correct, and this behavior is simply irrelevant to Tesla's future ability to raise needed funds for operations and expansion, then NBD. OTOH, it would mean that Tesla would continue to be judged on factors other than those normally applying to a business, which would confirm Bob Lutz' description of them as a cult rather than a company. But cults often disappear overnight, with few making the transition to full-blown religions where faith always outweighs rational thought.

I'd much prefer Tesla to be a company, as I'm not a big fan of cults or fads. Admittedly,if this one fails it will most likely only result in the loss of a lot of money for those who believed in it, e.g. tulip mania or the dot-com bubble, rather than the sort of mass financial collapse of the mortgage crisis or the Depression. So, even if the company does go under, collateral damage to PEVs is likely to be limited, as I believe the momentum they've already generated, combined with government actions to ban ICEs, is likely unstoppable. But hopefully they'll survive and prosper.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:39 pm

The Bellefonte, PA SC just opened, shortening the last too-long leg and finally marking initial completion of I-80 for small battery cars. In addition, 6 other U.S. SCs have opened this month, Laredo, TX probably being the most significant expansion. The rest are infill for density or capacity.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:13 am

Tesla introduces new ‘Supercharger Fair Use’ policy to focus on long distance travel and deter commercial use
https://electrek.co/2017/12/15/tesla-su ... rcial-use/
The automaker says that any new or used Tesla vehicles purchased after today and is used for commercial purposes cannot use any Tesla Supercharger worldwide.

According to the added statement on Tesla’s legal page, those commercial purposes include:

as a taxi;
for ridesourcing or ridesharing (through Uber, Lyft or similar services);
to commercially deliver or transport goods;
for government purposes; or
for any other commercial venture.

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:14 am

cwerdna wrote:Tesla introduces new ‘Supercharger Fair Use’ policy to focus on long distance travel and deter commercial use
https://electrek.co/2017/12/15/tesla-su ... rcial-use/
The automaker says that any new or used Tesla vehicles purchased after today and is used for commercial purposes cannot use any Tesla Supercharger worldwide.

According to the added statement on Tesla’s legal page, those commercial purposes include:

as a taxi;
for ridesourcing or ridesharing (through Uber, Lyft or similar services);
to commercially deliver or transport goods;
for government purposes; or
for any other commercial venture.



Now if they would just limit supercharging to outside owners geographic area it will make the system useful. Far too many local people have no home charging and charge to 100% sometimes daily clogging up statins. The policy above should have been in place a long time ago and I'm not sure how they intend to enforce it. Many car services use certain stations many times daily.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:51 am

cwerdna wrote:Tesla introduces new ‘Supercharger Fair Use’ policy to focus on long distance travel and deter commercial use
https://electrek.co/2017/12/15/tesla-su ... rcial-use/
The automaker says that any new or used Tesla vehicles purchased after today and is used for commercial purposes cannot use any Tesla Supercharger worldwide.

According to the added statement on Tesla’s legal page, those commercial purposes include:

as a taxi;
for ridesourcing or ridesharing (through Uber, Lyft or similar services);
to commercially deliver or transport goods;
for government purposes; or
for any other commercial venture.


WOW! This is monumental news! But also means people will use SCs for commercial purposes without telling Tesla... I suspect Uber's and others will do what they can to skirt this.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:23 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Tesla introduces new ‘Supercharger Fair Use’ policy to focus on long distance travel and deter commercial use
https://electrek.co/2017/12/15/tesla-su ... rcial-use/
The automaker says that any new or used Tesla vehicles purchased after today and is used for commercial purposes cannot use any Tesla Supercharger worldwide.

According to the added statement on Tesla’s legal page, those commercial purposes include:

as a taxi;
for ridesourcing or ridesharing (through Uber, Lyft or similar services);
to commercially deliver or transport goods;
for government purposes; or
for any other commercial venture.


WOW! This is monumental news! But also means people will use SCs for commercial purposes without telling Tesla... I suspect Uber's and others will do what they can to skirt this.



Tesla should just limit local Supercharging, This is easy to do in the software and should have been done a long time ago. Some SCs are full of owners that live literally blocks away. The network will be almost intolerable if they don't do this in at least some key markets.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:39 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:WOW! This is monumental news! But also means people will use SCs for commercial purposes without telling Tesla... I suspect Uber's and others will do what they can to skirt this.
Tesla knows perfectly well where cars spend their time and where they charge. Someone elsewhere pointed out that the new policy is carefully worded to say that they "may" limit or block use of Superchargers, so they have some flexibility in applying it. My guess is that casual part time use for Uber won't trigger the block but that it is intended for livery usage, already a problem in some places, notably in Amsterdam.

EVDRIVER wrote:Tesla should just limit local Supercharging, This is easy to do in the software and should have been done a long time ago. Some SCs are full of owners that live literally blocks away. The network will be almost intolerable if they don't do this in at least some key markets.
Tesla has been quite clear that owners who do not have access to home or work charging are welcome to use the Supercharger network. In some places, such as Hong Kong, most owners do not have home charging. By charging a reasonable fee for Supercharging for all Model 3s plus the idle fee for all cars, they should be able to raise some revenue to expand crowded Supercharger locations. This is happening in Southern California, where San Clemente is taking some of the pressure off of perpetually crowded San Juan Capistrano and crowded Fountain Valley is being expanded.

Give it some time and we can see how things shake out. Tesla certainly has opened a lot of new Supercharger stalls in California in the last year and I would expect that to continue if the Model 3 launch is successful.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:18 pm

The Willcox, AZ SC opened yesterday, making I-10 travel between LA and El Paso reasonably convenient for big battery cars, but requiring some care for small battery ones (134 miles from Willcox to Deming, NM, but 75 mph speed limit, A/C use and winds). An infill SC in Lordsburg, NM will be needed to alleviate any concern.
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