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Re: redesign the shifter

Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:10 pm

CeeDub wrote:the only cars where reverse was not backwards was VW from the 1980s, every other car out there practically has reverse backwards..... especially Japanese cars. It just makes sense, push it forward, go forward. Human nature.
That may be true for most modern cars, but back in my day most cars had three-speed transmissions, and reverse was at the top left of the H.

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Re: redesign the shifter

Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:37 pm

Revel in the standardization..... :lol:

http://augerresources.com/shiftpattern.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: redesign the shifter

Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:53 pm

planet4ever wrote:
CeeDub wrote:the only cars where reverse was not backwards was VW from the 1980s, every other car out there practically has reverse backwards..... especially Japanese cars. It just makes sense, push it forward, go forward. Human nature.
That may be true for most modern cars, but back in my day most cars had three-speed transmissions, and reverse was at the top left of the H.

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wow, that is going back a lil ways. lol!

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Re: redesign the shifter

Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:57 pm

Nubo wrote:Revel in the standardization..... :lol:

http://augerresources.com/shiftpattern.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
haha! good stuff, but my original point was why even do the side action and not the standard back n forth
P R N D pattern like most every other automatic on the road. And you can't look at the shifter to see where the
gear selector is. Folks already feel uneasy in new cars, let alone an electric, so why add to it with a shifter you gotta learn? What benefit is there to making the shifter "different" and "odd"?

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Re: redesign the shifter

Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:16 pm

CeeDub wrote:What benefit is there to making the shifter "different" and "odd"?
Back in the twentieth century I used all kinds of shifters, some automatic, some manual, some buttons, some on a steering column stalk, some on the floor. For most of the twenty first century I have used one pattern and one pattern only - the one found on the Prius and the LEAF. Anything else seems "different", "odd", and very old-fashioned.

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Re: redesign the shifter

Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:43 pm

CeeDub wrote: haha! good stuff, but my original point was why even do the side action and not the standard back n forth
P R N D pattern like most every other automatic on the road. And you can't look at the shifter to see where the
gear selector is. Folks already feel uneasy in new cars, let alone an electric, so why add to it with a shifter you gotta learn? What benefit is there to making the shifter "different" and "odd"?
Why not? There's a diagram behind it. There's a light that shows you which is position is selected. It also shows you on the dash. Zoom in on the shifter at http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/ ... #_interior" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

As for "different" and "odd", more than 3 million Priuses have been sold worldwide (http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/wo ... illion.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), most of which use a similar shifter and pattern.

As for the above vs. P R N D, well, if you're in Drive, you push forward to go in Reverse. When in Reverse, you pull back to go into Drive.

I'll repeat what I said earlier. Leave the shifter the way it is.

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Re: redesign the shifter

Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:32 am

Some people can't relearn basic skills, I'm afraid. If you see a Leaf barreling down the road in Reverse, you'll know who it is... ;-)
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Re: redesign the shifter

Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:09 am

CeeDub wrote:
Nubo wrote:Revel in the standardization..... :lol:

http://augerresources.com/shiftpattern.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
haha! good stuff, but my original point was why even do the side action and not the standard back n forth
P R N D pattern like most every other automatic on the road. And you can't look at the shifter to see where the
gear selector is. Folks already feel uneasy in new cars, let alone an electric, so why add to it with a shifter you gotta learn? What benefit is there to making the shifter "different" and "odd"?
Well I guess there's a fine line between "distinctive" and "odd". :)

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Re: redesign the shifter

Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:26 am

^ That neutral start button is interesting - Volvo's current WTCC car has a switch like that, so the engine can be fitted with a manual transmission but not need a clutch pedal.
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Re: redesign the shifter

Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:24 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Some people can't relearn basic skills, I'm afraid. If you see a Leaf barreling down the road in Reverse, you'll know who it is... ;-)
ha! they can go in reverse as fast as they can in drive ya know! Nissan governs it to about 20 mph, but it can be disabeled.... like they did on the most recent episode of Top Gear.... They got it to 57 mph in reverse.

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