DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:57 pm

xan wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:need to be sending it to your legislators


Can't stress this one enough. I wrote my representative and senator, plus the president (although I don't believe the last one will necessarily get read). If more of us join in, this is likely to have more of an effect than writing Nissan.

Write your representative here: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

That said, I do feel that writing Nissan does have some merit. They do have money available to fund stations, as they have before. Although as mentioned previously in this thread, stations outside of Nissan dealerships are best.

Xan


Nissan funding charging stations that anyone can use without help from other manufacturers is going to be a tough pitch. I'd rather see benefit to benefit. Force electric utilities to build the network.
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:55 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
xan wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Nissan funding charging stations that anyone can use without help from other manufacturers is going to be a tough pitch. I'd rather see benefit to benefit. Force electric utilities to build the network.


I completely agree with you, Dave. I am just going at it from any angle possible, contacting people in all different organizations and levels of government trying to get chargers put in place.

That said, I don't feel like I will get far with legislatures in my state of AZ. (Although I am still trying) So for that reason, I am trying my luck with others who could possibly have some influence on the infrastructure.

Xan
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:17 pm

If legislatures force utilities to spend money, EV charging stations are near the bottom of priorities. A dollar spent heating a homeless shelter or a school for disabled children carries more bang than a charging station.
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:09 pm

mjblazin wrote:If legislatures force utilities to spend money, EV charging stations are near the bottom of priorities. A dollar spent heating a homeless shelter or a school for disabled children carries more bang than a charging station.


That is definitely a valid point. I would not expect charging stations to be higher priority than what you mentioned. Although I do hope EV stations would be put above funding psychics, jazz playing robots, and of course oil company subsidies, among other things. (Yes, the first two are actually a real thing)
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Evoforce
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:48 pm

Randy wrote:In my region, with a few exceptions, Nissan's funding of DC Fast charging stations has been to locate them at dealerships. Nissan pays for the installation, and then the dealership is responsible to pay the electric bill. This is not an optimum solution.

There is a mix of welcoming dealers, dealers who seem to block the spaces for whatever reason, as well as the "you can only charge here if you bought here" type of dealers, making for a not very convenient charging experience.

So, while I do agree with the fact that more charging infrastructure is needed, the dealership model is not working...

Would Nissan be wiling to provide the DC Fast charge stations and pay for the installations for willing non-dealer site hosts?

THAT would be a step in the right direction...



In our region, Nissan gave a 20% subsidy and the participating dealers paid around $15,000 a piece for QC charge stations. I don't know the stats for the L2 charge equipment.
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:58 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
xan wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:need to be sending it to your legislators


Can't stress this one enough. I wrote my representative and senator, plus the president (although I don't believe the last one will necessarily get read). If more of us join in, this is likely to have more of an effect than writing Nissan.

Write your representative here: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

That said, I do feel that writing Nissan does have some merit. They do have money available to fund stations, as they have before. Although as mentioned previously in this thread, stations outside of Nissan dealerships are best.

Xan


Nissan funding charging stations that anyone can use without help from other manufacturers is going to be a tough pitch. I'd rather see benefit to benefit. Force electric utilities to build the network.


I have a healthy skepticism about utility companies doing the right thing for the public. SRP in Arizona has screwed us for installing solar. I also had thought utility companies would be a good fit for charging stations. Now I am gun shy...
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:55 pm

Evoforce wrote:I have a healthy skepticism about utility companies doing the right thing for the public. SRP in Arizona has screwed us for installing solar. I also had thought utility companies would be a good fit for charging stations. Now I am gun shy...

OTOH, via GCR:
Utilities To Lead Surge Of Electric-Car Charging In Southern California
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... california

It appears that they're going to do it right, concentrating on MFH and workplaces so that non-homeowners can consider PEVs, instead of installing uneconomical L2 and L3 in locations that will never pay back. Of course, they have to keep the price down to compete with gas and do so profitably, but only the utilities are in a position to do that.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Improve Charging Infrastructure

Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:38 am

Evoforce wrote:I have a healthy skepticism about utility companies doing the right thing for the public. SRP in Arizona has screwed us for installing solar. I also had thought utility companies would be a good fit for charging stations. Now I am gun shy...


oh they be doing the right thing but for themselves, NOT the customer. Several studies show the largest benefactor of a public charging network to be public utilities. This is their opportunity to support the "feel good" community while using the perfect excuse of "personal convenience" to charge a premium for their service. Anyone who believes that an entirely new rate system for the juice used will not happen is deluding themselves...
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