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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:59 pm
by blimpy
well.. they want to make money like everybody else.
where is the money in it for them ?

here in California were you and I live.. quite a few grants , profit sharing programs, and etc available to any
business that wants to add a charging station.

the issue in the little town where I live. .is the lack of parking.. despite the fact that we are in a place that NEEDS ev charging.

the rich fuck b and b put in Tesla only charging .. mofos.

it is a HUGE country.. and it could suck up a billion dollars putting in charging stations.

At least Nissan gave me free charging.. although I have used it only 2-3 times in 7 months. for a year or two.
I forget.

Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:32 am
by thebard
Regarding the availability of CCS stations for Bolts and others: this will likely change with the VW / diesel settlement. The promotional material from Electrify America outlines their infrastructure investment as including maintenance & repair of existing charging stations, and installation of "non-proprietary electric vehicle chargers". Their executive summary does mention dual standards (chargers will "operate across different charging standards [CCS and CHAdeMO]"), but it's not clear if their commitment to CHAdeMO extends beyond upkeep of existing stations, or the inclusion of dual-standard stations for new installations.

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/

I've written EA for clarification (they haven't replied), but either way it's a sure bet that any new DCQC installations they install will include CCS.

Regarding EvGo pricing: I rarely use the fee-based stations unless traveling longer distances, but EvGo offers a "Nissan Preferred" plan to new/used Nissan owners, $0 monthly / $2.95 + .15c/minute for DCQC. For the few times I use them, this is most cost-effective for me.

Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:29 am
by edatoakrun
thebard wrote:...Regarding EvGo pricing: I rarely use the fee-based stations unless traveling longer distances, but EvGo offers a "Nissan Preferred" plan to new/used Nissan owners, $0 monthly / $2.95 + .15c/minute for DCQC...

Details/link?

An EVgo operator just told me this rate is only available to 2016 and 2017 LEAF EZ- charge recipients.

I just noticed the photos posted of another four-charger EVgo station at Emigrant gap, highway 80, that has not been reported open yet.

edatoakrun wrote:Well, only about six and a half years after my page one post:

edatoakrun wrote:
...Can Bay area LEAF owners conveniently drive to Reno/Tahoe?

Can SoCal owners recharge on the the way to Las Vegas?

You owners in other states, aren't there logical "early adopter corridors" where L3 would be useful? Are the chargers there, or even in the planning stage?...

A great virtue of EV's is the utility of being able to charge at home, whether you choose level 1 or 2 home charging.

But the greatest drawback of EV's will always be limited range, making the PUBLIC infrastructure crucial.

You can finally drive from the San Francisco Bay area to Reno/Tahoe assuming the either the Colfax/HWY 80 or Pollack Pines/HWY 50 DC stations are working and available:

https://www.plugshare.com/

...Good luck to you SoCal residents trying to drive to Las Vegas...

Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:02 pm
by thebard
edatoakrun wrote:
thebard wrote:...Regarding EvGo pricing: I rarely use the fee-based stations unless traveling longer distances, but EvGo offers a "Nissan Preferred" plan to new/used Nissan owners, $0 monthly / $2.95 + .15c/minute for DCQC...

Details/link?

An EVgo operator just told me this rate is only available to 2016 and 2017 LEAF EZ- charge recipients.


I emailed EVgo when I purchased my used '13 in March. I had heard about the NCTC program, & inquired about something for used buyers, that's what they offered. I don't know if signing up through EZ-charge made a difference.

edatoakrun wrote:I just noticed the photos posted of another four-charger EVgo station at Emigrant gap, highway 80, that has not been reported open yet.



At a Shell station no less. I'd heard they were installing in the UK, was not aware they had plans in the US.

Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:31 pm
by edatoakrun
All thedrivethearc DC sites except for Strawberry are now open.

Both 50 and 80 have one 4-combo-station, the rest all have two DCs, giving excellent coverage, IMO.

https://www.plugshare.com/#

https://drivethearc.com/#sec-locations

And, as posted last week on the North CA thread:

First of the Northstate CEC DC sites, first CHAdeMO on I-5 between Sacramento CA and Ashland OR, is ... open, in Redding CA.

Only a single DC though (not the two shown on the CEC map) next to two L2s.

https://www.plugshare.com/#

If any more CEC sites show up (see map below) please add them to Plugshare...

viewtopic.php?p=510442#p510442

BTW, the tech I spoke to at the Redding site said it already has the conduit laid for four more DC chargers...

Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 am
by powersurge
I've been trying to follow all the posts from the last few pages and am confused because the posts are going in all different directions. I agree that We all will have our own L2 chargers in our homes if we want. WE CANNOT ASK that L2 charging stations be placed all over the country for the convenience of those who don't have home L2 charging.

What we truly need in this country is a network of L3 charging stations to quickly get us on our way when traveling long distance. Yes having a network of L2, like chargepoint, is a great step in the right direction, but it is no way practical when traveling. I cannot afford to wait 1 hour per 30 miles of driving to charge between my destination. On a 200 mile trip, that is 7 hours of waiting in one day.... NO GOOD

SO, I think the first step is for Nissan, and the other car dealerships who sell EVS install (WORKING) L3 chargers in every car dealership the country. This would be cost efficient, because It would show their commitment to the future of EVs and increase the potential for new buyers of their cars. This way, wherever you go, you will easily be able to find a place to charge.

Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:26 pm
by ElectricEddy
powersurge wrote:
SO, I think the first step is for Nissan, and the other car dealerships who sell EVS install (WORKING) L3 chargers in every car dealership the country. This would be cost efficient, because It would show their commitment to the future of EVs and increase the potential for new buyers of their cars. This way, wherever you go, you will easily be able to find a place to charge.


The Nissan dealer in this town closes their gates after hours and on Sundays/holidays preventing access.
I don't see them changing that, probably a huge security risk

Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:56 am
by GetOffYourGas
powersurge wrote:I've been trying to follow all the posts from the last few pages and am confused because the posts are going in all different directions. I agree that We all will have our own L2 chargers in our homes if we want. WE CANNOT ASK that L2 charging stations be placed all over the country for the convenience of those who don't have home L2 charging.

What we truly need in this country is a network of L3 charging stations to quickly get us on our way when traveling long distance. Yes having a network of L2, like chargepoint, is a great step in the right direction, but it is no way practical when traveling. I cannot afford to wait 1 hour per 30 miles of driving to charge between my destination. On a 200 mile trip, that is 7 hours of waiting in one day.... NO GOOD

SO, I think the first step is for Nissan, and the other car dealerships who sell EVS install (WORKING) L3 chargers in every car dealership the country. This would be cost efficient, because It would show their commitment to the future of EVs and increase the potential for new buyers of their cars. This way, wherever you go, you will easily be able to find a place to charge.


I mostly agree with your post, except the bolded part. This is a rookie mistake in your thought process, and I'm surprised to read it from an EV driver. In a 2017 Leaf, 200 miles is only about 3 hours of L2 charging, not 7. 107 miles is "free" (charged before you leave). Granted, 3 hours is still unacceptable. I agree 100% with your conclusion that L2 doesn't cut it.

When you look at DCFC (not the same as "L3", which the Leaf does not support yet), let's say the Leaf charges 90 miles in 30 minutes. That 200-mile road trip requires about 30 minutes of charging, and not 1.25 hours. 1.25 hours would be intolerable for most non-enthusiasts. 30 minutes can be absorbed with a coffee/bathroom break.

http://www.sae.org/smartgrid/chargingspeeds.pdf

Notice that DC level 3 is up to 240kW. The Leaf only supports DC level 2, up to 90kW. We have hints that will change in 2019.