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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:18 pm

smkettner wrote:
Jimmydreams wrote:
rmay635703 wrote:[Was the nightmare caused by the local government requiring overpriced "Special" licensed individuals, inspectors and other ideots who know nothing about your charger to approve it?



Yes. Apparently, the city I live in won't approve a simple electrical permit unless they have ridiculous levels of supporting docs. It's CYA on steroids. :evil:

That is where a plug in evse works. Can't be a big deal to just install an outlet. Tell them it is for a welder if you must.

I am not sure why so many get their jumpers in a bunch to plug in an silly appliance.


But therein lies the problem with the city of Oceanside.....they don't seem to care if the plug is for a welder, a dryer, or a recessed can light. 18x24inch drawings signed by a draftsman and engineer are required, among other things. My neighbor built a garage separate from his house....for just basic 110v outlets and fluorescent lighting, same thing....detailed drawings, signed, etc.

The sad part is that if Oceanside doesn't back down a bit, EVP will pull out of Oceanside, so any future Leaf owners may be semi-screwed. :(
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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:26 pm

That is why many things get done with no permit.
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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:55 pm

Yep, I'd just put it in myself and keep my mouth shut!

smkettner wrote:That is why many things get done with no permit.
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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:04 am

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en& ... 5ba1c9&z=6

Does "fast" mean DC?

IF so, looks like they're most of the way to nationwide coverage.

Is every UK Nissan dealer installing DC?


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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:11 am

mogur wrote:
smkettner wrote:That is why many things get done with no permit.
Yep, I'd just put it in myself and keep my mouth shut!

My only fear with something like this is that *if* something goes wrong and burns my house down, I don't want the insurance company to say "it wasn't permitted or installed by a licensed electrician" and deny coverage. If your community is that strict, sounds like AV's quoted install price might be a bargain since they're supposed to handle all the permitting. I knew there had to be a case where having them do it made sense. :lol:

EDIT: Nevermind, I see you're not using an AV unit...

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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:09 pm

edatoakrun wrote:http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206274519224783089293.00049c15382ade45ba1c9&z=6

Does "fast" mean DC?

IF so, looks like they're most of the way to nationwide coverage.

Is every UK Nissan dealer installing DC?


Lucky Limeys.


Every UK Nissan LEAF dealer is installing one. Those are our 25 starting locations. I am not sure what Nissan's roll out plan is.

These are the fast charge 0-80% in 25 minute chargers. All Leafs in the UK come equipped with the port as standard.

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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:15 pm

Any info on the manufacturer, brand name, model number, and cost of the QC (Fast DC) chargers being installed at UK dealers?
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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:42 pm

Is it possible to have a - not so fast - DC charger?

All of the discussion on the DC charger has really been around the assumption that the DC charger can fill the Leaf to 80% capacity in 25 minutes. This apparently requires some significant electrical infrastructure.

Is the charge rate of the DC port fixed? Would it be possible for someone to design a DC charger that could fill the capacity of the Leaf in 2 hours or 4 hours (something much faster then the 8ish hours required for the standard L2 connection?). Could DC charging be a way to work around the slow AC charge rate in the Leaf?

Would slower DC charging have a negative effect on battery longevity?

Any estimates on price? The L2 chargers are running $800-$1000+, but appear to have about $0.37 worth of electronics in them. With a DC charger, you'd have to do the AC -> DC conversion in the charger - any ideas what the cost of those components is?

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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:55 pm

Nufkin wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206274519224783089293.00049c15382ade45ba1c9&z=6

Does "fast" mean DC?

IF so, looks like they're most of the way to nationwide coverage.

Is every UK Nissan dealer installing DC?


Lucky Limeys.


Every UK Nissan LEAF dealer is installing one. Those are our 25 starting locations. I am not sure what Nissan's roll out plan is.

These are the fast charge 0-80% in 25 minute chargers. All Leafs in the UK come equipped with the port as standard.


Well, I suppose we could applaud this as a brilliant move by Nissan UK.

But perhaps the fact that Nissan USA is NOT installing fast DC chargers at all its dealers, is the outstanding display of corporate intelligence.

Think of the THOUSANDS of dollars they are saving, in the multi-BILLION dollar LEAF roll-out!
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Re: I Want my (fast) DC!

Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:09 pm

Yes, Very-Fast, or Partially-Fast DC Charging

No, charge rate is not fixed, but is determined by the car's controller

Yes, a Partially-Fast unit could be made, I believe

Yes, is a work-around, IF the EV has the QC Port.

No, no negative effect, if properly controlled.

The Nissan QC is around $20k (or was it around $11k, I forget).

Presumably a 12 kW (2 hour) PQC (Partial-Quick Charger) would not be very expensive, and only need about 50 amps at 240v to power it. Helpful at home, but probably not enough more than a 4-hour charge to justify the cost.

In public, the QC(Quick), or a VQC (Very), or UQC (Ultra) will be necessary.
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