berclese
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Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:44 pm
Delivery Date: 09 Aug 2016
Leaf Number: 310756

Re: Problems in the Southwest

Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:44 pm

GerryAZ wrote:I disagree with the original post. I am glad that I was able to buy my 2011 here in Phoenix and glad I could buy a new replacement when I was forced into getting another car. Only a few other manufacturers are willing to sell EVs here so I am glad that Nissan continues to offer them. Perhaps dealer/manufacturer disclosures at time of purchase/lease could be emphasized more for people who are not familiar with the car. I signed disclosures indicating battery deterioration is expected at the time of purchase of both 2011 and 2015. The capacity loss on the 2011 was much faster than expected, but Nissan retroactively offered a 5-year, 60,000-mile capacity warranty (long before the class action lawsuit became public). Nissan EV Customer Service called me and asked me to take the 2011 to the dealer so they could start the process of getting a new battery installed at about 26 months after purchase. The battery in the 2015 is doing much better since it has more capacity after 38 months and 59,000 miles (currently at 10 capacity bars) than the 2011 had at 15 months and 14,500 miles (at the time of the Phoenix Range Test in September 2012).

By the way, the 2011 was extremely reliable until it met its demise and the 2015 continues to be quite reliable.


I'm sorry, but 7500mi or 18 months is not reasonable. The inconvenience and unpredictability have lessened the value and usability of the car to me. I'm getting a new battery today, but this constant and sizable range deterioration is unacceptable. Even an iPhone battery doesn't fall off like this and look at all the crap they took over it.
2016 SV - 30kWh battery

Joe6pack
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Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:57 pm
Delivery Date: 07 Oct 2012
Leaf Number: 025854

Re: Problems in the Southwest

Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:26 pm

Oh what a load of horse manure. I live in the south and you're going to determine what vehicles I should have available to me based your misguided opinion. This is just more of the same old FUD with the usual suspects piling on.

Keep trying, though. It's fun to watch LEAF sales skyrocket despite your best efforts.
2012 Leaf SL leased October 4th, 2012
Braselton, GA

GerryAZ
Gold Member
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Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:47 pm
Delivery Date: 12 Jun 2011
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Re: Problems in the Southwest

Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:35 pm

berclese wrote:I'm sorry, but 7500mi or 18 months is not reasonable. The inconvenience and unpredictability have lessened the value and usability of the car to me. I'm getting a new battery today, but this constant and sizable range deterioration is unacceptable. Even an iPhone battery doesn't fall off like this and look at all the crap they took over it.


I agree that 18 months with only 7,500 miles is not reasonable if your battery is really deteriorated to the point of needing replacement. The original battery in my 2011 was 27 months old with probably about 25,000 miles (don't have records handy) when it was replaced after Nissan called me to start the replacement process. Where are you located?

Edited to add: Although I have no intention of replacing my 2015 for a long time, I would probably buy a new LEAF if something happened to force replacement. Both my dealer and Nissan have treated me well so I would definitely consider another LEAF in spite of all the Nissan bashing on this forum. I consider the rate of battery deterioration I am experiencing with my 2015 to be reasonable for the climate and conditions I drive in. I anticipate reaching 60,000 miles on the original battery next week with 10 capacity bars left so I will probably get to somewhere around 80,000 miles by the time it drops to 8 capacity bars.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015

berclese
Posts: 15
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:44 pm
Delivery Date: 09 Aug 2016
Leaf Number: 310756

Re: Problems in the Southwest

Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:32 pm

Joe6pack wrote:Oh what a load of horse manure. I live in the south and you're going to determine what vehicles I should have available to me based your misguided opinion. This is just more of the same old FUD with the usual suspects piling on.

Keep trying, though. It's fun to watch LEAF sales skyrocket despite your best efforts.


Well 6pack, I'm not going to determine it, but maybe Nissan will when they get tired of replacing packs at $8k each.
2016 SV - 30kWh battery

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