Evoforce said:And my view is that Nissan should build the cars with liquid TMS.
1+LeftieBiker said:I'm between the two positions above. I don't think that the Leaf should be sold to the general public in the South and Southwest the way that other new cars are sold, because given the state of the dealership system in the US, salespeople WILL lie to customers and sell them a Leaf without properly informing them of the heat issues. OTOH, I think it should be possible to order a Leaf in the hotter states, after signing documents (having read them!) to the effect that you know the car will lose battery capacity rapidly.
LeftieBiker said:the 40wkh un-cooled...lettuce pack?....
LeftieBiker said:If that is your phone number, and you don't want it harvested by bots, I suggest you remove it ASAP.
GerryAZ said:I disagree with the original post. I am glad that I was able to buy my 2011 here in Phoenix and glad I could buy a new replacement when I was forced into getting another car. Only a few other manufacturers are willing to sell EVs here so I am glad that Nissan continues to offer them. Perhaps dealer/manufacturer disclosures at time of purchase/lease could be emphasized more for people who are not familiar with the car. I signed disclosures indicating battery deterioration is expected at the time of purchase of both 2011 and 2015. The capacity loss on the 2011 was much faster than expected, but Nissan retroactively offered a 5-year, 60,000-mile capacity warranty (long before the class action lawsuit became public). Nissan EV Customer Service called me and asked me to take the 2011 to the dealer so they could start the process of getting a new battery installed at about 26 months after purchase. The battery in the 2015 is doing much better since it has more capacity after 38 months and 59,000 miles (currently at 10 capacity bars) than the 2011 had at 15 months and 14,500 miles (at the time of the Phoenix Range Test in September 2012).
By the way, the 2011 was extremely reliable until it met its demise and the 2015 continues to be quite reliable.
berclese said:I'm sorry, but 7500mi or 18 months is not reasonable. The inconvenience and unpredictability have lessened the value and usability of the car to me. I'm getting a new battery today, but this constant and sizable range deterioration is unacceptable. Even an iPhone battery doesn't fall off like this and look at all the crap they took over it.
Joe6pack said:Oh what a load of horse manure. I live in the south and you're going to determine what vehicles I should have available to me based your misguided opinion. This is just more of the same old FUD with the usual suspects piling on.
Keep trying, though. It's fun to watch LEAF sales skyrocket despite your best efforts.
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