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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:22 am

mjblazin wrote:People paying $25,000 for a car don't get driven to buying an $85,000 car or a $60,000 car.... Nissan has competition, but not from Tesla.
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:32 am

There IS one very powerful and completely legal tool that manufactures DO have over dealers: Allotments!
Lexus used this very effectively to discourage their dealers from selling certain high demand vehicles for over MSRP. It worked!

RonDawg wrote:It's not just Nissan. Dealers are independent franchises and manufacturers can only exert so much control over them.
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:44 am

mjblazin wrote:People paying $25,000 for a car don't get driven to buying an $85,000 car or a $60,000 car, if and when it ever appears. As for a Tesla $30,000 car, I will believe it when Salma Hayek tosses her billionaire spouse for me. Nissan has competition, but not from Tesla.


Not yet. But they will.
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:21 am

+1!

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
mjblazin wrote:Nissan has competition, but not from Tesla.
Not yet. But they will.
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:42 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Not yet. But they will.

Personally, I don't see it..
I think Nissan will still have the Low End of the nicer EV line. I just don't see the Model 3 coming in around Leaf pricing at that time. (Could be wrong, but..)
I see the Model 3 competing with the BMW i3 (next version), Bolt, etc..
And based on Tesla's history with timelines/release dates, I think it's possible/probable that the others will hit the market earlier than the Model 3 will.

But I think Nissan will still be less expensive than those.

I see Nissan's competition as Fiat, Mitsubishi, etc.. Possibly the others (Ford/Honda) if they get serious about EVs.
I could see Kia there. They are kind of in between now, but as battery capacity expands, I think they will fall into the nicer Low End range.

Of course, I didn't think anyone would pay for shareware in the 80's, so I don't take my prognostication too seriously. ;-)

Edit: Good timing. Just saw this:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... ction-date

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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:08 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
mjblazin wrote:People paying $25,000 for a car don't get driven to buying an $85,000 car or a $60,000 car, if and when it ever appears. As for a Tesla $30,000 car, I will believe it when Salma Hayek tosses her billionaire spouse for me. Nissan has competition, but not from Tesla.


Not yet. But they will.


Then I should not give up on Salma Hayek?
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:52 pm

;) No, never give up. Never give up on anything. If you really want it. ;)

A 200 mile LEAF would compete with the Bolt, and whatever other 200 mile EVs are available in a couple years, and all of those may be less expensive than the Model 3. But I think anyone who can, and who has the travel need, will pay a little extra to access the Supercharger network, and maybe an adaptor or two. A bank of 6 or 8 SCs, with 120 kW, vastly out competes single units per location of 20 to 50 kW QCs (often broken, ICE'd, or restricted, like in the OP) when you have a 48 kWh pack. With the bonus of not having to hassle with dealerships! :D

But there's other considerations too. Personally, I hope to have an eNV200 with 200 mile range, and replace my wife's Accord with a Model 3 as she has the larger travel need. I want the cargo space, and will transform it into a camper van when needed.
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:41 pm

desiv wrote:So, you think other dealerships would be different?
I think it's much more likely this is an issue with the dealership model and not a particular manufacturer.
(Of course, not counting Tesla, who doesn't use dealerships)


I guess what I was trying to say was that my next car, at least at this point, WILL be a Tesla. All of the other manufacturers seem to have a split personality when it comes to EVs. As long as they are still making most of their money from ICE vehicles, EVs, and their owners, are going to continue to be treated like the red headed step child.

People paying $25,000 for a car don't get driven to buying an $85,000 car or a $60,000 car, if and when it ever appears.


Yes, but I paid $42,000 with taxes for my Leaf, and I can certainly afford a $75,000 Tesla. In fact, I almost owned one TWICE. I was ready to plunk down my deposit when they cancelled the 40, and I put down a deposit for a 60D and then they cancelled it too. Maybe the third time will be a charm if I go for a 70D this time. :roll: The only thing holding me back at this time is that I'm going to make Nissan give me a new Lizard battery first. :twisted:
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:29 pm

TomT wrote:There IS one very powerful and completely legal tool that manufactures DO have over dealers: Allotments!
Lexus used this very effectively to discourage their dealers from selling certain high demand vehicles for over MSRP. It worked!

RonDawg wrote:It's not just Nissan. Dealers are independent franchises and manufacturers can only exert so much control over them.


I would not call the Leaf a "high demand" model. Nissan only sold about 30k Leafs during calendar year 2014 (which would include early 2015's). While that's a lot for a pure electric, that's roughly one month's sales of their Altima during 2014.

Now that I think of it, I don't think there's anything at Nissan where demand is far outstripping supply, not even the 370Z or GT-R. I'm constantly getting advertising emails from Nissan dealers about super cheap deals. That tells me that their sales numbers are not where they'd like them to be and have to basically bribe consumers. So Nissan USA telling a dealer they're going to withhold this month's allotment of Altimas and Versas would likely do more harm to themselves in the process.
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Re: Problems Charging at Nissan Dealerships?

Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:33 pm

mjblazin wrote:People paying $25,000 for a car don't get driven to buying an $85,000 car or a $60,000 car, if and when it ever appears. As for a Tesla $30,000 car, I will believe it when Salma Hayek tosses her billionaire spouse for me. Nissan has competition, but not from Tesla.


Not sure if you were responding to my post, but as far as the dealer-less business model I suspect it won't be too terribly long before you'll be seeing it from manufacturers other than just Tesla. Dealerships are an anachronism and their continued parasitic existence is largely a matter of inertia at this point.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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