tranhv68
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DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:02 pm

When I purchased my 2012 Leaf I was well aware of the 73mile EPA mixed driving cycle. As my work was only 25 miles roundtrip, I felt I had plenty of range for commuting and errands for most days. As an around town vehicle it is great. However, I discovered that a DC quickcharger can, when the battery temp is optimal and close to empty, give you a charge at up to 50KW per hour as stated by nissan up to about 80% full. In fact, it only took 18 minutes to put in 12 kwh in my leaf.

As there are many Nissan Dealers in the US and Nissan is actively marketing a Quick DC charger for $10,000.00, how come they don't install DC quick chargers at every dealer for their leafs. This would make the leaf attractive even to those individuals who feel that they need more than 73 miles in a day because they can fill up for a fraction of the time.

Whether it is free, subscription-based or fee per use, I think having DC Quickchargers at Nissan Dealers would be a convenience that would enhance Nissan's commitment to Electric vehicles.

Also, it would be in Nissan's best interest to promote their ChaDeMo standard as much as possible given the SAE has a standard that is set and backed by GM and other Big car companies. I am a huge fan of ChaDeMo, but if the new SAE standard becomes the norm, my 2012 Leaf will probably be the last Nissan EV I own.

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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:39 pm

agree with you 100%. i use QC all the time but usually only 10 minutes worth. i get a Kwh in 70-80 seconds when its charging the bottom 2/3rds of the pack. after that, the rate slows down quite a bit.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 15,000 miles, 478 GIDs, 37.0 kwh 109.81 Ahr , SOH 94.61, Hx 120.15
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tranhv68
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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:41 pm

Are the Quick Chargers still free along the 5 freeway in Washington and Oregon?

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:47 pm

tranhv68 wrote:Are the Quick Chargers still free along the 5 freeway in Washington and Oregon?



as of today, i say yes.
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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:04 pm

tranhv68 wrote:Whether it is free, subscription-based or fee per use, I think having DC Quickchargers at Nissan Dealers would be a convenience that would enhance Nissan's commitment to Electric vehicles.


Free if you proudly display the dealer emblem or sticker, otherwise you pay a reasonable fee, about $10 or so. I think its a great sales promotion idea. The front desk controls the charger and keeps your keys until you are done. Your car may be used as a demo if you leave it there for too long.

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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:32 pm

I completely and totally agree with everything posted here. I cannot understand WHY Nissan has not put even a handful of their DC Quick Chargers at any dealerships in the US. They did it in Europe, and they have one at their North American HQ in Tennessee, but that's it. They wonder why the car isn't selling as well as they hoped...because most of the country lives outside "LEAFing distance" to a QC! Is Nissan afraid they're going to lose out to the Combo plug, so they aren't bothering here? The only way to gain a foothold in the marketplace is to get those chargers in the ground, stat.

(And yes, dealers aren't the ideal place to spend 30 minutes of my time. But it's better than not making the trip at all, or having to take a gas car. And yes, I'd pay for the privilege. I just expect to pay slightly less than a Mitsubishi i-MiEV driver.)
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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:44 pm

+1. Get them in the ground. Pretend this is Europe or Japan Nissan and install some demonstration chargers at dealers. The only reason I don't trade my Leaf in for the Rav4 EV is that it does not have a fast charge option. Fast charging is critical.

NYLEAF wrote:I completely and totally agree with everything posted here. I cannot understand WHY Nissan has not put even a handful of their DC Quick Chargers at any dealerships in the US. They did it in Europe, and they have one at their North American HQ in Tennessee, but that's it. They wonder why the car isn't selling as well as they hoped...because most of the country lives outside "LEAFing distance" to a QC! Is Nissan afraid they're going to lose out to the Combo plug, so they aren't bothering here? The only way to gain a foothold in the marketplace is to get those chargers in the ground, stat.

(And yes, dealers aren't the ideal place to spend 30 minutes of my time. But it's better than not making the trip at all, or having to take a gas car. And yes, I'd pay for the privilege. I just expect to pay slightly less than a Mitsubishi i-MiEV driver.)
- SF Bay Area
- 2011 Leaf traded in at 46,000 miles, 3 years, lost 1 bar
- Upgraded to 2014 Rav4EV with Quickchargepower.com CHAdeMO port, 53,000 miles
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:53 pm

Nissan Leaf mechanic at Eastside just announced on Facebook that the dealership is installing a quick charge station. should be up and running within 2 weeks
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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:24 pm

You have to get into the head of a Nissan dealer. Most dealers have been around for at least a decade. Who the hell would have wanted to start a Nissan dealership a decade ago? The only thing I can imagine is that they did it with no thought or care and all they really care about is making a few bucks off of selling cars.

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Re: DC Quickcharging for Leafs at dealers

Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:20 pm

coolfilmaker wrote:You have to get into the head of a Nissan dealer. Most dealers have been around for at least a decade. Who the hell would have wanted to start a Nissan dealership a decade ago? The only thing I can imagine is that they did it with no thought or care and all they really care about is making a few bucks off of selling cars.


The dealers aren't going to put in QC without pressure from Nissan. The dealers want to make money, just like any other business, and they want to do it by spending as little of their own money as possible. Very few dealers are going to understand (or care) that by investing in a QC, they could help themselves sell many Leafs, in addition to any revenue the QC itself brings in. Only Nissan North America would (hopefully) be able to see that point of view, and will hopefully apply the necessary pressure on the dealers to get the QCs in the ground.

Perhaps something similar to the recent promotion that Chevy did with its dealers in order to sell more Volts? For example, any Nissan dealer that installs the $15k Nissan-branded QC by December 31, 2012 can recoup up to $30k (to cover for the unit itself as well as installation costs) as credit towards 2013 inventory from Nissan NA. Therefore, the dealership essentially gets to install the QC for no cost to themselves, since they obviously were going to spend money on new vehicle inventory anyway, and by setting an end date, there's a sense of urgency to get them in the ground.
Former Ride: 2012 Leaf SL, Ocean Blue, Leased 1/27/2012, Returned 4/27/2015, 37.7k miles & 12/12 bars
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