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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:45 pm

Is this infographic the first time Nissan (or any credible manufacturer) has stated full door-to-door autonomy (presumably by utilizing a remote human back-up driver) will be delivered by 2020?

Nissan’s future generation ProPILOT technology – available for real-world use from 2020

https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/rele ... rban-roads
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:09 pm

May be. Here's an article discussing claims/forecasts of AV timelines as of June: https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/04/self-driving-car-timeline-for-11-top-automakers/

I suspect full door-to-door won't be possible except for a few limited urban areas by 2020, but I think there's a decent chance we'll get L4 on freeways by then.
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:32 pm

GRA wrote:...I suspect full door-to-door won't be possible except for a few limited urban areas by 2020, but I think there's a decent chance we'll get L4 on freeways by then.
Isn't google waymo doing this now?

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Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:34 pm

I'd say that's pretty much still dem/val. I'm talking about the point when the public can buy cars with L4 capability.
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Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:59 pm

Followup to earlier post, via IEVS:
Safety Probe Coming For Vegas Self-Driving Shuttle Accident – video
https://insideevs.com/safety-probe-coming-for-vegas-self-driving-shuttle-wreck/

The recent accident involving an autonomous NAVYA Arma electric shuttle in Las Vegas just moments after its official launch, has now became the subject of U.S. National Transportation Safety Board investigation.

The cause of the collision is known – a semi truck backed into the stopped shuttle in an intersection. Fault was found because of the human error of the truck diver, who was then cited and a received ticket, however the accident appeared to still have been easily avoidable – had the shuttle taken appropriate and expected actions to avoid the incident. . . .

“There have been other crashes involving self-driving vehicles but this was the first involving a self-driving vehicle operating in public service, O‘Neil said. Four NTSB investigators were expected to arrive in Las Vegas on Friday.” – via Reuters

Thankfully, the accident was not a serious one, as the Navya ARMA shuttle’s front end sustained only minor damage, and resumed service the next day.

However, the accident could have potentially be avoided if shuttle would have used its horn to alert the truck driver (as would be expected of a human driver) or simple reverse a few feet (the street was clear behind the vehicle at the time). These are areas were autonomous vehicles could be upgraded. . . .
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:40 am

That article is full of mistakes. InsideEVs should proofread and edit their material before posting it.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:41 pm

Via ABG:
Volvo pushes self-driving Drive Me program back by four years
Safety questions push back introduction.
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/15/volvo-drive-me-program-delay/

Volvo is pumping the brakes on its Drive Me autonomous vehicle program, delaying by four years plans to deploy a fleet of 100 self-driving cars in Sweden and acknowledging its technology isn't ready. Volvo says the move will help it better understand how people interact with driverless technologies and improve its first Level 4 autonomous car when it becomes available by 2021.

Volvo four years ago said it would have 100 self-driving cars on the streets of Gothenburg by the end of 2017 in conjunction with the Swedish government to test out the technology and its effects on traffic and the economy. It now says it'll have up to 100 people involved in the Drive Me program over the next four years to funnel customer feedback to the company's engineers.

"On the journey, some of the questions that we thought were really difficult to answer have been answered much faster than we expected. And in some areas, we are finding that there were more issues to dig into and solve than we expected," Marcus Rothoff, the company's autonomous driving program director, told Automotive News Europe. He added the automaker was reluctant to pick a "sensor set," since sensor technology is improving much faster than Volvo predicted in 2013, and electrical architecture has also proven to be a "huge challenge." Volvo also wants its customers to be more confident with Level 4 self-driving technology, which CEO Håkan Samuelsson has said could add close to $10,000 to the price of a vehicle. . . .

"No technology will ever be introduced if there is any question over its safety," Volvo said in a release.

Good on them.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:01 pm

Via ABG:
Autonomous Chevy Bolt collides with motorcycle in San Francisco
GM's Cruise Automation not at fault, police say.
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/22/autonomous-chevy-bolt-motorcycle-crash/

. . . According to the report filed by Cruise, the Bolt was operating in autonomous mode in heavy traffic at the time of the incident. It was in the center of three lanes on the one-way street, when the car saw an opportunity to switch to the left lane, and began the maneuver. The gap closed, though, and the Bolt returned to the center lane, just as a lane-splitting motorcycle on the right moved into the center lane. Cruise says its Bolt was traveling at 12 miles per hour, while the motorcycle was doing 17 mph.

The Honda S90 motorcycle "glanced" the passenger side of the Bolt (leaving a "long scuff"), wobbled, then tumbled over. The motorcyclist was able to walk away from the incident, moving the bike to the side of the road, but complained of shoulder pain. The police were called, and the motorcyclist was taken to receive medical care. Police determined the motorcyclist to be at fault "for attempting to overtake and pass another vehicle on the right under conditions that did not permit that movement in safety," according to Cruise's report.

In California, lane-splitting by motorcycles is neither permitted nor prohibited under law. The DMV no longer offers lane-splitting guidelines, but suggests a few safety tips for motorcyclists, including watching speed, assuming other drivers don't see them and avoiding blind spots.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:27 pm

GRA wrote:Via ABG:
Autonomous Chevy Bolt collides with motorcycle in San Francisco
GM's Cruise Automation not at fault, police say.
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/22/autonomous-chevy-bolt-motorcycle-crash/

. . . According to the report filed by Cruise, the Bolt was operating in autonomous mode in heavy traffic at the time of the incident. It was in the center of three lanes on the one-way street, when the car saw an opportunity to switch to the left lane, and began the maneuver. The gap closed, though, and the Bolt returned to the center lane, just as a lane-splitting motorcycle on the right moved into the center lane. Cruise says its Bolt was traveling at 12 miles per hour, while the motorcycle was doing 17 mph.

The Honda S90 motorcycle "glanced" the passenger side of the Bolt (leaving a "long scuff"), wobbled, then tumbled over. The motorcyclist was able to walk away from the incident, moving the bike to the side of the road, but complained of shoulder pain. The police were called, and the motorcyclist was taken to receive medical care. Police determined the motorcyclist to be at fault "for attempting to overtake and pass another vehicle on the right under conditions that did not permit that movement in safety," according to Cruise's report.

In California, lane-splitting by motorcycles is neither permitted nor prohibited under law. The DMV no longer offers lane-splitting guidelines, but suggests a few safety tips for motorcyclists, including watching speed, assuming other drivers don't see them and avoiding blind spots.



I've seen 4 of these driving together in the SF area lately.

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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:42 pm

Safety in numbers?
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