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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:20 am

Phatcat73 wrote:Why consider the Prius prime vs the volt?

Not sure about SageBrush but personally when I compared our older('07) Prius to the older Volt, there was hardly a comparison, the Prius won hands down. The Volt was VERY cramped, virtually no storage room and passenger compartment had that "cockpit" feel that either you love or hate, I hate having no room and "stuff" everywhere I turned. I also disliked how once the battery ran out the Volt would only be MPG in the low 40s(or upper 30s for older ones) compared to the Prius in the 50s.
To me the Volt has a specific use, first and foremost someone who can stand it's design/space and second someone who drives mostly within it's EV range or not much more. When it comes to long trips(300 miles +) you just can't beat a Prius, storage space is also quite nice, at least the older Prius's, I haven't seen the Prime yet in in person although from pictures it's quite ugly. I don't care how they made it only a 4 passenger, like the old Volt and truthfully I haven't sat in a newer Volt either. I'm planning on trying both at my local auto show this month, hopefully they'll have both along with the Bolt, which I also don't have a whole lot of hope for(tight hard seats) but I'll give it a sit I also hope they have a Hyundai Ioniq to sit in, lots of things to try if they only have them off the turntable and on the floor to check out.....Also hope they have a Chrysler Pacifica PHEV to sit in, I'll probably pass by the Mitsubishi area although they'll probably give me the same crap they did last year about the PHEV Outlander......we should know more shortly......more like any year :roll:
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:14 pm

Phatcat73 wrote:Why consider the Prius prime vs the volt?


Or the upcoming Hyundai IONIQ, the first car to come in no less than three flavors (regular hybrid, plug-in hybrid, full electric). Its styling is also less polarizing than that of the current Prius.
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:16 pm

Why not a Volt ?
The car: No advantage over a Prime for my use case of 90 mile trips and longer in terms of petroleum use; higher tailpipe emissions; worse reliability than a Prius PiP or hybrid. No props for being a Prius copy. More expensive.
The dealership: I expect ALL GM dealerships to suck, while Toyota is hit or miss but likely to have reasonably hybrid expertise by now. In the 12 years I have owned Toyota hybrids, I have ONE visit to a dealership and it probably was not needed.
The company: I despise GM, and respect Toyota. Not like my love affair with Tesla, but Toyota is a fine company with outstanding, actually unbelievable customer support and more than a wave towards environmentalism in their production life-cycle.

Final score: for all the things I care about, the Volt gets a zero compared to the Prime.

Why not a Hyundai ?
If it is not a Tesla, I don't buy cars without a good track record.
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:23 am

SageBrush wrote:Why not a Hyundai ?
If it is not a Tesla, I don't buy cars without a good track record.


Hyundai and Kia have had a very good track record as of lately. It's almost like they're not the same company of 20 years ago...or even 10 years ago.

Quality-wise, I think they're above Nissan. Reliability-wise certainly better than Tesla.
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:00 am

RonDawg wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Quality-wise, I think they're above Nissan. Reliability-wise certainly better than Tesla.
I suspect you are right wrt to Nissan. This forum gives a strong whiff of bad Nissan customer support, in the sense of first blowing the customer off and only coming around to a sensible support after it is clear the customer is not going away. I'm thinking mostly of the new 30 kWh battery cars that have single cell manufacturing defects in the battery. The retarded annual 'battery checks' Nissan recommends at the dealership also give the flavor of a company who places the customer last.

As for Tesla, that is a complicated question.
Reliability in my world is as much a question of what breaks as it is how the company deals with the matter. It is really, really rare for a Tesla to strand a driver, and their service center support is out-of-this-world great. They have replaced motors because of noise. The Tesla specific problems relate to access: high density Tesla areas have long wait times, while I live ~ 300 miles from the closest service center. Tesla is planning to expand their 'ranger' program (service person comes to you) to off-load some of the center work and hopefully solve access problems for people like me.

In any case, I didn't mean to imply that Tesla cars are bullet proof from day #1; I meant that I will tolerate quality and reliability problems in a Tesla to support the company that I won't from another manufacturer.
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:17 am

Yep, we also have a compact CUV and it gets used at least monthly when we need two cars or more space than the Volt has, but not nearly as often as when we had the Leaf...
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71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

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