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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:50 am

Since you can't take fuel to a boat - at least a bigger one - you are pretty much limited to what is available at the fuel dock at the marina... So far, biodiesel has not made much of an inroad at most of them...

mbender wrote:Just curious and a bit off-topic, but have you thought of or tried using 100% biodiesel? Short of everything ICE going electric, I'm hoping for a novel, sustainable and scalable way of producing biodiesel to appear, and for all ICEs to go to diesel.
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:56 am

I think there's lots of room for electric propulsion on a sail boat. They just haul lead down in the keel anyway. Might as well be a battery. True sailors just use the motor for propulsion through channels and in harbor anyway, and the power requirements for sailboat engines are quite low. Might even be able to put solar panels on deck to charge the batteries, or even figure out a way to use them as sails!
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:01 am

The problem is that the ballast weight on a sailboat has to be very low to serve the intended purpose, and a keel is a very narrow and odd shape, unsuitable for conventional batteries... It is also generally inaccessible. But a sailboat's modest propulsion requirements ARE best suited to electric power...

johnrhansen wrote:I think there's lots of room for electric propulsion on a sail boat. They just haul lead down in the keel anyway. Might as well be a battery.
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:01 pm

Just by chance* I ran across this piece from Green Car Reports today,


A few good comments, too. "Bust Out Another Thousand", LOL ;-)


* Oh yeah, it was linked from a piece on electric surfboards, today on the same site.
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Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:22 pm

I think that just as we need to adjust our expectations when going from an ICE car to a BEV, there also needs to be an adjustment when looking at electric boats. Especially the idea that you need 200-600HP to make a boat practical and/or fun. For that matter, what about serial hybrids, with or without solar panels, to charge while docked or moving slowly? Think of a long range serial hybrid boat that charges its batteries when moving at a slow cruise, but can use them for bursts of speed or for EV Mode when needed. My take is that 90% of the boats fouling our waters (and views of them) are essentially SUVs, not real working vehicles.
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:44 pm

That is why they are called "recreational boaters..."

By the way, since boats are taxed as property in most locales, they contribute far more economically than most any car...

But this is getting so far off topic that I'm going to drop it here...

LeftieBiker wrote:My take is that 90% of the boats fouling our waters (and views of them) are essentially SUVs, not real working vehicles.
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:46 pm

Sure, we took the Highlander Hybrid to Las Vegas for Super Bowl weekend. Couldn't do that in the Leaf. However, I use the Leaf exclusively for commuting the 40 -50 miles per day for work and most of the time on weekends.

No range anxiety at all. Never had it, never will. When I know range will be a problem, I either plan for a recharge or take the ICE vehicle.
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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:58 pm

Got rid of my ICE last year and don't miss it. I am glad there's a car rental place nearby, though.

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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:15 am

The LEAF is our daily driver but there are things our 4WD SUV can do that the Leaf never will...

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Re: Today I drove my ICE Car, Do you still use your ICE car?

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:18 am

That is why we still have our CUV...

asimba2 wrote:The LEAF is our daily driver but there are things our 4WD SUV can do that the Leaf never will...
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