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Re: Insideevs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:35 am

reeler wrote:I will call it a charger as my car charges when I plug it in.

I can see the conversation Pipcecil would be having with Nissan about why his car won't charge:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15372

Pip: My charger is broken.

Nissan: Your charger is broken.

Pip: No, my charger is broken!

Nissan: No, your charger is broken!

Seems that using the correct terminology would make the conversation a bit clearer. ;)
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Re: InsideEVs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:41 am

InsideEVs posts article with correct usage of terminology:

"Charging Station Usage at Hanover Mall in Pennsylvania Shoots Up by 250% in Last 9 Months"

http://insideevs.com/charging-station-u ... -9-months/

No complaints yet from the layman that they can't understand the techno-babble. ;)
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Re: InsideEVs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:10 am

"I just bought a $1200 40A charger for my LEAF and paid $1500 to have my panel upgraded to work with it and my LEAF does not charge faster than a public station!"

"My car won't charge and the dealer said my charger did the damage and it won't be covered under warranty"

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Re: Insideevs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:34 am

cwerdna wrote:Since I see you have a '11 Leaf w/3.3 kW on-board charger and 2 Rav4 EVs (!) w/10 kW on-board chargers, please study the diagram at viewtopic.php?p=262630#p262630 then the Miles Gained per hour at viewtopic.php?p=101293 and http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8452fc6c70. Tell me how you propose to explain the pieces of and bottlenecks related to max charge rates depending on the line voltage, max amperage of the EVSE, max draw and output of the on-board charger, etc.


I could care less if someone uses more precise language, especially where required. I just don't think it is productive to bag on someone using a variation in language that is perfectly clear in the context. Folks are being pedantic to point this out all the time. Just like that annoying person always correcting your grammar. You all can keep up with your crusade on this point, but know you are annoying to some.
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Re: Insideevs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:02 pm

reeler wrote:I could care less if someone uses more precise language, especially where required. I just don't think it is productive to bag on someone using a variation in language that is perfectly clear in the context. Folks are being pedantic to point this out all the time. Just like that annoying person always correcting your grammar. You all can keep up with your crusade on this point, but know you are annoying to some.

Is it? Please explain how you'd explain all the difference pieces w/o causing confusion?

People who misuse the terminology are annoying and confusing people who really need to know (but might not realize it).

If I happen to spot posts from you or anyone else uses the wrong terminology, I'm going to keep stepping into correct the misinformation.

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Re: Insideevs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:51 pm

reeler wrote:I could care less if someone uses more precise language, especially where required. I just don't think it is productive to bag on someone using a variation in language that is perfectly clear in the context. Folks are being pedantic to point this out all the time. Just like that annoying person always correcting your grammar. You all can keep up with your crusade on this point, but know you are annoying to some.

As EVdriver points out, people may not know that more precise language is needed until it is too late:

"I just bought a $1200 40A charger for my LEAF and paid $1500 to have my panel upgraded to work with it and my LEAF does not charge faster than a public station!"

If it annoys you, don't read this thread, since you already know it will annoy you.
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Re: InsideEVs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:25 pm

Just call the charger in the car the on board charger or PDM. That's what Nissan does. :roll:
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Re: Insideevs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:08 pm

cwerdna wrote:Please explain how you'd explain all the difference pieces w/o causing confusion?

People who misuse the terminology are annoying and confusing people who really need to know (but might not realize it).

The reality of the current market aside, I feel the general public shouldn't HAVE to know the difference. Do you need to know the technicalities of the different kinds of gas pumps, storage tanks, flow rates, shutoff mechanisms, etc. to fill up an ICE? No. You pull in, pick your grade, plug in, pull the handle and you're done. Sometimes it fills in 3 minutes, sometimes 5, who cares? EV charging should be just as simple and invisible. That's where we need to get to, not arguing over proper terminology.

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Re: Insideevs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:12 am

GeekEV wrote:Do you need to know the technicalities of the different kinds of gas pumps, storage tanks, flow rates, shutoff mechanisms, etc. to fill up an ICE? No. You pull in, pick your grade, plug in, pull the handle and you're done.
But, except for some farmers, most people don't have to buy their own gas pump. So long as EVSEs are called chargers, people are going to assume that buying a faster "charger" will allow them to charge their car faster.

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Re: InsideEVs Calls EVSE a "Charger"

Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:06 am

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread. But I just had to get this terminology battle out of my system! Good read and quite entertaining!

I think I'm going to go plug my phone into its CPSE (cellphone service equipment) now.

Thanks!

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