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What about electric mowers and outboards?

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:51 pm

Now that I've been happily driving a LEAF for a couple of years, I've been thinking about replacing my gas lawn tractor and my boat's gas outboard motor. Has anyone else pursued these items?

I can only find one electric riding mower currently in production, the Cub Cadet RZT-S Zero. It looks interesting, but I can find no local dealer who has one, and no reviews regarding its performance.

There are a number of electric outboard motors, beyond the common little electric fishing trolling motors. Briggs and Stratton used to make one, but apparently no longer. The highest-tech (and highest cost) ones seem to come from a German company, Torqeedo/. Very interesting design and they appear to be very efficient. Reviews are uneven though, with some stating that longevity is a problem. There are American manufacturers as well, including Ray Electric Outboards, Elco Motor Yachts.

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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:23 pm

I bought a Neuton electric mower seven years ago. Prior to that, I had two Black&Decker battery mowers over the previous 25 years. All have been great, in particular the Neuton, which is powerful enough to mulch the clippings.. They are sold online at http://www.neutonpower.com/.

I looked into electric riding mowers, but they seem way too heavy, especially since they are carrying a rider as well as clipping the grass.

I'm waiting for a Lawn Roomba.
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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:42 pm

Back in 1996 I rescued a plug in mower out of the condo dumpster.
Used it for three years to mow the lawn at the small apartment building I had just bought.
Timing was perfect. Worked quite well with low noise, no fumes, no maintenance etc.
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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:53 pm

I like the Cub Cadet.
Never had a zero turn mower before and I really like that.
Run time is better than the other mowers I have tried.

However, I really wish someone would make one with Lithium batteries rather than lead.

We are moving later this year and will have a much smaller lawn so we will likely get a push mower.
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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:19 pm

JohnBike wrote:I'm waiting for a Lawn Roomba.
I don't know anything about these, but they already exist:

I think I just felt my paradigm shift.

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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:26 pm

We have had the same Black & Decker CMM1000 cordless mulching mower for about 15 years. It was recently recalled, which involved changing a couple of components to make it into the later CMM1200, so we paid for a new battery and blade, which were installed for free as part of the recall. So 10+ years on the first battery, then a $120 upgrade to a newer configuration. It's been a very good mower.

I also have a smaller Minkota electric trolling motor that I bought for use on local electric-only lakes (not that I'd use a gas motor anyway), on rented rowboats. That only got used a few times before I got sick and stopped lugging it around, but it was great, and drew little enough current that I was able to use a fairly small 31AH Dell deep cycle battery with it.
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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:21 am

I have no experience with riding mowers, but I have been using a corded electric mower for years. I love it - nothing but the smell of fresh cut grass! The cord is not a hassle at all once your used to it - provided that you have few obstructions (e.g. trees, gardens, etc). It doesn't sound like that's what you are looking for though. Good luck with your search, I'm sure you will find an electric mower far more pleasant than a gas one.

As for electric outboards, I have a Torqeedo that I have used to push my sailboat in and out of the marina. I have had it since summer 2011, and have had zero problems with it. I wrote an extensive review including some cases in which I would not recommend it here: http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=131151. If you have specific questions, I'd be glad to answer them. It really is the only electric outboard in the market (that I can find). There are plenty of low-speed trolling motors, but this thing can really haul by comparison (it's equivalent to a 4HP gasser). It also weighs less than a trolling motor + lead battery.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't say "zero" problems with the Torqeedo. It has occasionally thrown an error, but a simply reboot has always cleared it. This typically happens when I am fishing - I will use the motor for a minute to position the boat, and then stop it for half an hour and drift. Rinse repeat. The motor hasn't given me troubles while it was running.
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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:53 am

We have a Solaris battery mower that was being sold by Home Depot for a couple of years. At the time it was the only one I could find that had a decent-sized cutting swath and also self-propelled. I'm fairly happy with it. It has a surprising bit of grunt and will chew through fairly high grass in mulching mode. The only downside is the lead-acid battery pack. And the low-voltage cutoff is 19.1 volts which is murderously low SOC for a (24V) lead-acid pack. Anyone who routinely runs the thing to a full stop is in for a rude surprise. Which I imagine led to a lot of unhappy owners and the Canadian company that made them gave up after a couple of years.

The original pack faded fairly quickly and I replaced with a good set of Panasonic SLA batteries. Those are now starting to decline and I plan on replacing the 17AH Lead-acid pack with a set of 7 or 8 40AH LiFePo4 cells this year.

Got the mower awhile before we got the 2012 LEAF. I love electric mowing for many of the same reasons I love driving the LEAF. Lack of smells, lack of fumes, lack of noise. No spilled gasoline, no trips to the station to lug a dangerous can of gasoline back home (imagine getting in a crash then!). I "fill" it at my own convenience and it's ready whenever I want it. No oil changes, no fussy starting, spark plugs etc... I can mow the grass without disturbing my neighbors; I can listen to music or podcasts, and all I smell is clean cut grass. I can even hear my pager go off. Well... nothing's perfect. :lol:
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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:34 am

Nubo wrote:No oil changes, no fussy starting, spark plugs etc...


Honestly, this is one of the best parts of owning an electric lawn mower. Every spring, I hear all of my neighbors fighting to start their mowers. I see them pulling on the cord, taking apart carburetors, changing spark plugs, the whole nine yards. Meanwhile, the only maintenance I perform is sharpening the blades. Otherwise, I plug in the mower and off I go.
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Re: What about electric mowers and outboards?

Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:11 pm

torqeedo is one of the best outboards you can buy,here in europe 80% of sailboats and electric boats use the torqeedo.
a very good alternativ motor is the haswing protruar 2.0, it is brushless and i used it on some sailboats without any problems.
here in austria are no gas engines allowed,my new projekt is a boat with 19,5 KW/h lifepo batteries and a 11KW intermotor.
i also have a antares 780 with 2 torqeedos 4.0,which has agm batteries
and a saver 560 with one torqeedo 4.0 with agm batteries.

http://www.goingelectric.de/forum/elekt ... ot#p125378

here you see the big propeller of the 15HP electric engine,comares to the 15HP gasoline engine
http://www.goingelectric.de/forum/elekt ... ot#p148373
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