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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:24 am

Germany calls on Tesla to drop 'Autopilot' branding

Term deemed ‘misleading’ by German transport minister as Federal Motor Transport Authority reminds Tesla owners to pay attention when driving

Tesla Motors has been asked by the German transport minister to not use the word “autopilot” in its advertising, as doing so may suggest to drivers that they do not need to pay attention to the road.

The minster, Alexander Dobrindt, told Reuters that his office made the request “to no longer use the misleading term for the driver assistance system of the car”.

But Tesla defended its use of the word, arguing that it should be understood by analogy to aeroplanes...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... t-branding
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:23 am

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:47 pm

Via ABG:
Dutch regulators also not too keen on Tesla's 'Autopilot' name
Tesla says system is still in beta and that owners are properly warned.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/20/dutc ... ilot-name/

Could something about Tesla Motors' 'Autopilot' driver-assist feature be lost in translation? Maybe so, as some European regulators are examining whether the term is an appropriate one in light of safety concerns. Specifically, the Dutch Road Traffic Service (RDW), which approved use of the term last year, is reconsidering its decision, Reuters says.

The issue is what some regulators say is the implication that the driver's attention isn't required while Autopilot is engaged. Tesla, of course, continues to argue that its owners are clearly informed that the system is in beta form, and doesn't replace good-old driver engagement. The company is also arguing that if the aviation industry can use the term 'autopilot,' so can they, according to Reuters. . . .
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:44 pm

Inevitably, the next loafer has dropped, via IEVS:
Tesla Autopilot Now Adheres To Speed Limits On Roads
http://insideevs.com/tesla-autopilot-ad ... ed-limits/

As Tesla continues to apply incremental updates to its Autopilot software, safety is the number one priority. Some owners may feel a sense of security knowing that Tesla is enhancing safety features, while others may be concerned that the car is too “controlling.” Nonetheless, the Tesla Autopilot software is now being updated to follow speed limit signs on roads and non-divided highways.

Prior to the update, drivers were free to set the speed of the vehicles’ Traffic-Aware Cruise Control to exceed the speed limit by 5 mph. Now, except on major highways, the feature will not exceed the posted speed limit. When on the highway, drivers can set the speed at whatever they choose, however, the 90 mph Autopilot maximum speed is still in place.

Following the rules of the road is critical to the success and to regulators support of systems like Tesla’s Autopilot. It will be hard to argue that an autonomous driving system is safer than a human driver, if a human can set it to break the law. . . .
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:14 am

Until the database the 100% accurate, this is stupid. What are autonomous cars going to do, when they have no driver and the database has a wrong or non-existent speed limit?
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:50 pm

pchilds wrote:Until the database the 100% accurate, this is stupid. What are autonomous cars going to do, when they have no driver and the database has a wrong or non-existent speed limit?

Gee, do you suppose they'll be restricted to some lower speed until the data base is corrected, which will undoubtedly be soon after the issue is noticed and complained about? Unlike the case with humans, where if the speed limit is unknown, they'll drive whatever speed feels safe to them or they think they can get away with. But we're still a ways from fully autonomous vehicles allowed to drive with no one in the car or monitoring them.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:46 pm

Dropping to 25 mph in a 55 mph zone for no reason, is less safe than continuing at 55 mph, as a human driver would. IMO, The database will never be 100%, until those that set the speed limits are electronically transferring the data to Tesla's data provider. Speed limits are changed all the time and for no reason.

There is a road I drive that the speed limit would drop from 55 mph to 45 mph, then a 1/4 mile later it drops to 40 mph, they changed it to 55 mph to 50 mph, then in an 1/8 mile to 40 mph. The government workers must have a quota for speed limit changes or it is outsourced to a private company and they charge by the change.

The car needs a basic speed for the road type, if you are on a divided road the car should not be slowing to 25 mph, 45 mph should be the minimum, no matter what the database thinks it should be.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:23 pm

pchilds wrote:Dropping to 25 mph in a 55 mph zone for no reason, is less safe than continuing at 55 mph, as a human driver would. IMO, The database will never be 100%, until those that set the speed limits are electronically transferring the data to Tesla's data provider. Speed limits are changed all the time and for no reason.

There is a road I drive that the speed limit would drop from 55 mph to 45 mph, then a 1/4 mile later it drops to 40 mph, they changed it to 55 mph to 50 mph, then in an 1/8 mile to 40 mph. The government workers must have a quota for speed limit changes or it is outsourced to a private company and they charge by the change.

The car needs a basic speed for the road type, if you are on a divided road the car should not be slowing to 25 mph, 45 mph should be the minimum, no matter what the database thinks it should be.

Maybe people should be driving the cars themselves on such roads, then, if Tesla's autonomous system is unable to do so in conformance with the law. I've got a similar road nearby, although I don't think the speed changes are arbitrary (as I'm usually traveling it by bike, my speed is well under the limit regardless). I agree that speed limits will need to be kept in real time on government databases; for one thing, how else could you handle construction zones when the car itself can't recognize them (as it currently can't). It's either a database, or some type of real-time communication between the hazard and the car, as I rather doubt that the car's sensors can recognize flares or cones and act accordingly. This will undoubtedly be implemented as our roads become increasingly smart and V2V/V2R becomes the norm. In the meantime, most states have basic speed laws for various road types, so having that info in memory as a default fall-back shouldn't be a problem. Whether it would be enough to keep you or Tesla from being ticketed/found at fault will be up to the legislatures and the courts.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:18 am

pchilds wrote:Until the database the 100% accurate, this is stupid. What are autonomous cars going to do, when they have no driver and the database has a wrong or non-existent speed limit?


Why are you assuming the speed is based solely off a database?
Do you think there won't be any crosschecking involved?
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:16 am

An electronic database would be vulnerable to hacking or computer glitches of other kinds, do we want the car to be controlled in real time by possibly corrupted data?

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