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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:37 am

InsideEVs: UPDATE: Tesla Full Self Driving Option is Removed From Tesla Model 3, S, and X:
InsideEVs wrote:The Full Self Driving option, previously listed below Enhanced Autopilot, has been removed on the Tesla Model S and Model X design studio as well. At the time the original article was published, the option had only been removed from the Model 3. According to Elon Musk, the option will still be available for about a week “off the menu”.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:55 am

RegGuheert wrote:InsideEVs: UPDATE: Tesla Full Self Driving Option is Removed From Tesla Model 3, S, and X:
InsideEVs wrote:The Full Self Driving option, previously listed below Enhanced Autopilot, has been removed on the Tesla Model S and Model X design studio as well. At the time the original article was published, the option had only been removed from the Model 3. According to Elon Musk, the option will still be available for about a week “off the menu”.

Yep. You can see the Twitter thread at https://twitter.com/TheHoff525/status/1 ... 0535285761.

I only noticed it being gone from the 3 (didn't check the other models) when I went tried to checked on https://3.tesla.com/model3/design what the configuration and battery choices were given the announcement of the "mid-range" battery version. You only get the choice near the end to select EAP and the 2nd choice of "FSD" in the future was gone.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:07 pm

cwerdna wrote:
RegGuheert wrote:InsideEVs: UPDATE: Tesla Full Self Driving Option is Removed From Tesla Model 3, S, and X:
InsideEVs wrote:The Full Self Driving option, previously listed below Enhanced Autopilot, has been removed on the Tesla Model S and Model X design studio as well. At the time the original article was published, the option had only been removed from the Model 3. According to Elon Musk, the option will still be available for about a week “off the menu”.

Yep. You can see the Twitter thread at https://twitter.com/TheHoff525/status/1 ... 0535285761.

I only noticed it being gone from the 3 (didn't check the other models) when I went tried to checked on https://3.tesla.com/model3/design what the configuration and battery choices were given the announcement of the "mid-range" battery version. You only get the choice near the end to select EAP and the 2nd choice of "FSD" in the future was gone.


The consensus from the TSLA investors is that this is a result of the EAP lawsuit settlement. Too many customers had a different interpretation of what was promised and by when. So to prevent this from happening with FSD, the option was pulled until the feature is ready to be sold. That way there won't be any further question about what the customer is getting for their money.

FSD isn't EAP anyway, so somewhat off-topic.

Edit: Details of the Autopilot 2.0 settlement: http://www.autopilotsettlement.com/freq ... spx#a17%5C
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:01 am

Another Tesla with Autopilot crashed into a stationary object—the driver is suing
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/10/ma ... at-80-mph/

Florida man sues Tesla over autopilot feature, crash
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireS ... h-58858047

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:14 am

cwerdna wrote:Another Tesla with Autopilot crashed into a stationary object—the driver is suing
As reported on Wired, which includes:
Hudson says that at the time of the impact, he was looking at his phone.
:shock:


He's also suing the owner of the disabled Fiesta he hit, accusing him of negligence.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:45 am

A great AP system?

https://youtu.be/YUnRTNdxMGk

That's all I need while driving besides watching for red light runners and texting drivers, right?

You would have thought Tesla would have corrected the AP system logic to avoid incidents like this, which is very similar
to the MX crash in west San Jose near the 101 interchange where the MX hit a barrier and the driver died. The system
should have identified itself as being presently to left of the double yellow versus moments ago being to the right,
i.e. comparing the previous images of the road to the present image based on its AI.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:28 pm

lorenfb wrote:A great AP system?

https://youtu.be/YUnRTNdxMGk

That's all I need while driving besides watching for red light runners and texting drivers, right?



if you're watching out for red light runners in autopilot, then you're doing it wrong.

as for the lane misreading, that's why you're supposed to supervise autopilot.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:58 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
lorenfb wrote:A great AP system?



That's all I need while driving besides watching for red light runners and texting drivers, right?



if you're watching out for red light runners in autopilot, then you're doing it wrong.

as for the lane misreading, that's why you're supposed to supervise autopilot.


Actually, the implication was that the new road hazard is now Teslas crossing over the double yellow line while using AP,
i.e. besides red light runners and texting drivers.

How incompetent are Tesla's AP system designers that they didn't simulate for the condition, i.e. fairly basic, that occurred?
What a total joke that is! Time for Tesla to get help from the Waymo designers or GM for AP.

Bottom line: How many other scenarios that haven't been simulated by Tesla's AP system designers will result in accidents?
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:13 am

I’m very impressed with the latest firmware version.
The drive on navigate works well for me. It has more issues under certain circumstances than others and is still a work in progress.
What I really liked is that AP will now adjust its speed to allow merging traffic to merge smoothly.

The dash cam is nice as well ;)
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:43 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
lorenfb wrote:A great AP system?



That's all I need while driving besides watching for red light runners and texting drivers, right?



if you're watching out for red light runners in autopilot, then you're doing it wrong.

as for the lane misreading, that's why you're supposed to supervise autopilot.


Actually, the implication was that the new road hazard is now Teslas crossing over the double yellow line while using AP,
i.e. besides red light runners and texting drivers.

How incompetent are Tesla's AP system designers that they didn't simulate for the condition, i.e. fairly basic, that occurred?
What a total joke that is! Time for Tesla to get help from the Waymo designers or GM for AP.

Bottom line: How many other scenarios that haven't been simulated by Tesla's AP system designers will result in accidents?


Did you see the break in the double-yellow line? You know, where the intersection was? You know, a surface street?

That's called using autopilot where it's not meant to be used.
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