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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:44 pm

WetEV wrote:As for Donald Trump, his position will depend on who he is talking to. I have not a clue what Trump will do. I don't think Trump does as well.

I've long been convinced that the only thing The Donald actually believes in is his own magnificence; everything else is negotiable.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:13 pm

GRA wrote:
WetEV wrote:As for Donald Trump, his position will depend on who he is talking to. I have not a clue what Trump will do. I don't think Trump does as well.

I've long been convinced that the only thing The Donald actually believes in is his own magnificence; everything else is negotiable.

To paraphrase Kramer in The Dealership he's taking us to a little place I like to call "we'll see".
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:55 pm

GRA wrote:Pretty insignificant after almost six years. This year, U.S. sales of PEVs are running around 0.7% nationally, IIRR. I expect a small spike when the Bolt and Prius Prime arrive,



Sales of PEVs were 1.1% in November 2016.

Bolt isn't out yet. Prius Prime is out, but a small player.


https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/03/us ... car-sales/

Sure, 1.1% is still "pretty insignificant". And I'm sure you will stay the same about 2%, 5% and 10%.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:04 pm

WetEV wrote:
GRA wrote:Pretty insignificant after almost six years. This year, U.S. sales of PEVs are running around 0.7% nationally, IIRR. I expect a small spike when the Bolt and Prius Prime arrive,



Sales of PEVs were 1.1% in November 2016.

Bolt isn't out yet. Prius Prime is out, but a small player.


https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/03/us ... car-sales/

Sure, 1.1% is still "pretty insignificant". And I'm sure you will stay the same about 2%, 5% and 10%.

10% will be significant, as it's approaching mass market acceptance, say 15%. 5% will be significant in the sense that it will exceed the sales % that HEVs have ever achieved in the U.S., ~4% IIRR. Personally, I consider the next semi-significant step for PEVs will be when one nameplate's U.S. annual sales exceed the highest monthly sales of a common ICE, say Civic/Corolla/Camry/Accord/RAV4. Or when all PEVs' U.S. annual sales exceed the U.S. annual sales of any one of those five ICEs. Nov. and YTD, here's how many each of those five have sold ( http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#autosalesC):

Camry, 28,189 / 355,204
RAV4, 28,116 / 314,925
Accord, 27,182 / 311,352
Toyota Corolla / Matrix, 26,747 / 331,081
Honda Civic, 25,303 / 335,445

There's a ways to go yet, but maybe they'll reach one of those marks next year. I figure the Prius Prime's got the best shot.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:59 pm

Well, the fun begins.

The first released draft of the House GOP tax cuts for billionaires has no more tax credit for EVs.

It is not clear that the House GOP can agree on what time to break for lunch.
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