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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:01 pm

Wet. Here we go again. The deniers are always going to deny. It is all they know. They do not give a sh!t if they are wrong because they wont be alive when our children are suffering from not doing something now about climate change. I would rather do something now than put my head in the sand and follow the few -1% of climate scientists horsesh!t science.

WetEV wrote:
RegGuheert wrote:
WetEV wrote:The Arctic is off the charts hot, sea ice in both Arctic and Antarctic waters is at a record low for the date. Global sea ice is "About 6.9 standard deviations below the 1981-2010 mean."
What is your fear related to the loss of global sea ice?


Not directly, but through the effect on weather patterns from the loss of Arctic sea ice. Like the Arctic vortex recentering over Asia or North America, as it has this year.

RegGuheert wrote:Are humans or any other species impacted by such a change?


Duh.

RegGuheert wrote:Is there ANY evidence that this is related to the activity of man?


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The burning of coal, natural gas, oil, wood, peat and the clearing of land has put a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere. About half is still there.

Unprecedented in the past 800,000 years.

Do you have any realistic doubt that humans have changed the CO2 level of the atmosphere?

Do you have any realistic doubt that changing the CO2 level will affect the climate?

WetEV wrote:This brings up an amusing speculation. Suppose this not only continues, but gets worse. The Antarctic keeps shedding sea ice, then sheds a big hunk or two of ice shelf, and some of the ice sheets starts falling into the ocean. The Arctic maintains a low pressure, off the charts warm pattern all winter, melts fast in spring and is ice free next summer. Weather patterns worldwide are wonky and wild.


RegGuheert wrote:Hahahahahaha!!


We will see who gets the last laugh.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 am

why would you say Musk mis represented facts concerning the credits? I think the only issue here is why Tesla is selling them at such a discount. they are simply desperate for the money as they should be. Its an open market so guessing they get better than 50% every once in a while.

I will agree his answer was the "path of least resistance" but its not like we didn't all know that. The thought that Tesla would be selling an affordable car was, is and always be laughable. They are upscale and trying to move elsewhere would be a mistake. Keep the mystic. Its way more valuable that volume pricing. Besides the $45,000 car might be a niche, but its a HUGE one. Without the T3 announcement you seriously think we would have Audi, Mercedes, etc in the mix? FYI; expect more to pop up soon.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:56 am

ZEV credits are awarded by CARB, a state agency. Relevant at the federal level, the focus of this thread, is the $7500 tax credit and CAFE compliance. Currently, apart from any CARB mandates, automakers plan on selling EVs to help them with the tightening CAFE overall mileage requirements. But if GM and others are successful in their efforts to lobby the incoming administration, then those requirements could be watered down, thus reducing the motivation to sell EVs in all states. Hence the concern now circulating among EV fans that it might end up being tougher to buy a Bolt in non-CARB states.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:15 pm

abasile wrote:ZEV credits are awarded by CARB, a state agency. Relevant at the federal level, the focus of this thread, is the $7500 tax credit and CAFE compliance. Currently, apart from any CARB mandates, automakers plan on selling EVs to help them with the tightening CAFE overall mileage requirements. But if GM and others are successful in their efforts to lobby the incoming administration, then those requirements could be watered down, thus reducing the motivation to sell EVs in all states. Hence the concern now circulating among EV fans that it might end up being tougher to buy a Bolt in non-CARB states.


Plus, the very real chance that CARB authority outside California under EPA exemption might be reduced / eliminated.

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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:30 pm

My main, immediate fear is that the $7500 EV tax credit will be eliminated in all states, before next Summer.
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Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:19 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:My main, immediate fear is that the $7500 EV tax credit will be eliminated in all states, before next Summer.
Zero chance. Priority is to create jobs and eliminate regulations that strangle jobs like EPA CO2 regulations. Trump has stated he wants to be known for his environmentalism and high priority is clean air.

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Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:01 pm

DanCar wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:My main, immediate fear is that the $7500 EV tax credit will be eliminated in all states, before next Summer.
Zero chance. Priority is to create jobs and eliminate regulations that strangle jobs like EPA CO2 regulations. Trump has stated he wants to be known for his environmentalism and high priority is clean air.


Uh huh. Care to place a modest wager? I'll bet you $50 that the subsidy gets killed before the Bolt is actually available for lease in New York. BTW, it would fall under the rubric of "eliminate regulations that strangle jobs" in a Republican administration. Even if you believe that Trump is going to somehow keep almost all of the campaign promises he has made, you have to realize that he has to give the Right something that is easy to deliver but will resonate with their worldview and reinforce their support of him. Eliminating government subsidies for those awful elitist electric cars would be both easy and cheap, and it would be hugely popular among truck/SUV driving white men.
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Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:36 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
DanCar wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:My main, immediate fear is that the $7500 EV tax credit will be eliminated in all states, before next Summer.
Zero chance. Priority is to create jobs and eliminate regulations that strangle jobs like EPA CO2 regulations. Trump has stated he wants to be known for his environmentalism and high priority is clean air.


Uh huh. Care to place a modest wager? I'll bet you $50 that the subsidy gets killed before the Bolt is actually available for lease in New York.
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BTW, it would fall under the rubric of "eliminate regulations that strangle jobs" in a Republican administration. Even if you believe that Trump is going to somehow keep almost all of the campaign promises he has made, you have to realize that he has to give the Right something that is easy to deliver but will resonate with their worldview and reinforce their support of him.
He is definitely a maverick. He will be fighting/negotiating with the right, like everyone else, sooner or later. Reference the 60 minute interview were he said he said things to get elected. He has been quoted a few times where he said the war on drugs was very stupid and he would legalize them. A very leftist view.
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Eliminating government subsidies for those awful elitist electric cars would be both easy and cheap, and it would be hugely popular among truck/SUV driving white men.
The rich like their tax cuts. I wouldn't be surprised if he increases it to $10K for 100 kWh battery.

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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:19 pm

I'll remind everyone again that just about every prediction made about Trump has turned out to be wrong. If the consensus is that he will squash all progress in EVs and renewable energy that's probably a very encouraging sign.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:34 pm

If you want to make an official bet, Dan, we can do that. I'll cheerfully pay $50 to get the $7500 credit, as long as I know I'm going to get a $50 consolation prize (or hopefully just pocket money, if I cave and buy a Leaf soon) if it gets killed.

Trump would have to be Nuts to start giving the Left what it wants next year. Not to say that he's entirely sane, but I don't see him as being crazy in a way that will have him championing environmental laws in defiance of the people who elected him, at the beginning of his first term.
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