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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:44 pm

WetEV wrote:As for Donald Trump, his position will depend on who he is talking to. I have not a clue what Trump will do. I don't think Trump does as well.

I've long been convinced that the only thing The Donald actually believes in is his own magnificence; everything else is negotiable.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:13 pm

GRA wrote:
WetEV wrote:As for Donald Trump, his position will depend on who he is talking to. I have not a clue what Trump will do. I don't think Trump does as well.

I've long been convinced that the only thing The Donald actually believes in is his own magnificence; everything else is negotiable.

To paraphrase Kramer in The Dealership he's taking us to a little place I like to call "we'll see".
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:55 pm

GRA wrote:Pretty insignificant after almost six years. This year, U.S. sales of PEVs are running around 0.7% nationally, IIRR. I expect a small spike when the Bolt and Prius Prime arrive,



Sales of PEVs were 1.1% in November 2016.

Bolt isn't out yet. Prius Prime is out, but a small player.


https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/03/us ... car-sales/

Sure, 1.1% is still "pretty insignificant". And I'm sure you will stay the same about 2%, 5% and 10%.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:04 pm

WetEV wrote:
GRA wrote:Pretty insignificant after almost six years. This year, U.S. sales of PEVs are running around 0.7% nationally, IIRR. I expect a small spike when the Bolt and Prius Prime arrive,



Sales of PEVs were 1.1% in November 2016.

Bolt isn't out yet. Prius Prime is out, but a small player.


https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/03/us ... car-sales/

Sure, 1.1% is still "pretty insignificant". And I'm sure you will stay the same about 2%, 5% and 10%.

10% will be significant, as it's approaching mass market acceptance, say 15%. 5% will be significant in the sense that it will exceed the sales % that HEVs have ever achieved in the U.S., ~4% IIRR. Personally, I consider the next semi-significant step for PEVs will be when one nameplate's U.S. annual sales exceed the highest monthly sales of a common ICE, say Civic/Corolla/Camry/Accord/RAV4. Or when all PEVs' U.S. annual sales exceed the U.S. annual sales of any one of those five ICEs. Nov. and YTD, here's how many each of those five have sold ( http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#autosalesC):

Camry, 28,189 / 355,204
RAV4, 28,116 / 314,925
Accord, 27,182 / 311,352
Toyota Corolla / Matrix, 26,747 / 331,081
Honda Civic, 25,303 / 335,445

There's a ways to go yet, but maybe they'll reach one of those marks next year. I figure the Prius Prime's got the best shot.
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