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Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:44 pm

My airplane tickets are booked. Anyone going? Dates at http://www.tokyo-motorshow.com/en/outline/. I'll be at the show for 2 days.

My trip this time also includes going to South Korea (2nd time for me) and Singapore (never been there before).

I wrote viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20720 for the 2015 show.

viewtopic.php?p=445534#p445534 has a pointer to a cool video showing the work that went into setting up the Nissan booth and press conference in 2015 besides some glimpses of the show.

I'll repeat what I wrote before again:
I HIGHLY recommend the show if you're a car enthusiast and/or if you like seeing Japanese booth babes. :D That said, I wouldn't go only to Japan for a few days at TMS. There's a lot of other cool stuff to see in Japan.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:55 pm

The worst part for us vacationing in Tokyo is the long flight from Atlanta, and the crappy food in economy. That being said, we are going back during thanksgiving.. :lol:
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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:11 pm

Anyone else going? I'm getting on a plane to Japan in a little in over 15 hours.

I plan to be at the show Nov 1st and 2nd. I'm avoiding the the weekends and the the 3rd as that's a national holiday there. I suspect it'll be way crowded on those days.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:54 pm

I’ve arrived in Japan. Food in economy on All Nippon Airways was decent. They rank highly at http://www.worldairlineawards.com/award ... ating.html. Sadly, the rest of the legs of my trip to Asia won’t be on ANA. :(

This time, instead of renting a WiFi hotspot for about $10/day, I bought this 5 gb (valid for 21 days) prepaid SIM http://www.bmobile.ne.jp/english/ at BIC Camera at Narita airport (wasn’t that easy to find as I had to take a free shuttle bus from terminal 1 to 2). It’s about $30 total and more than good enough for my 6.5 day stay in Japan.

Many folks would tend to gravitate towards the many places selling SIMs or renting hotspots on the 1st floor of Narita.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:21 am

Enjoy the show! ;-)

Most people rent a WiFi hotspot device because their phones may not have the cell phone frequencies that cover Japan. Nevertheless, that 5GB prepaid for $30 is a pretty good deal.

BTW, if possible, will you be able to help find out more about the "power from Leaf via Chademo port" box you previously posted? RE: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=24497&start=50#p504949

Just wanted to know if they still sell them in Japan. I was thinking, perhaps... on my next trip, I might just buy one and take it home with me.


cwerdna wrote:I’ve arrived in Japan. Food in economy on All Nippon Airways was decent. They rank highly at http://www.worldairlineawards.com/award ... ating.html. Sadly, the rest of the legs of my trip to Asia won’t be on ANA. :(

This time, instead of renting a WiFi hotspot for about $10/day, I bought this 5 gb (valid for 21 days) prepaid SIM http://www.bmobile.ne.jp/english/ at BIC Camera at Narita airport (wasn’t that easy to find as I had to take a free shuttle bus from terminal 1 to 2). It’s about $30 total and more than good enough for my 6.5 day stay in Japan.

Many folks would tend to gravitate towards the many places selling SIMs or renting hotspots on the 1st floor of Narita.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:40 am

mxp wrote:Enjoy the show! ;-)

Most people rent a WiFi hotspot device because their phones may not have the cell phone frequencies that cover Japan. Nevertheless, that 5GB prepaid for $30 is a pretty good deal.

BTW, if possible, will you be able to help find out more about the "power from Leaf via Chademo port" box you previously posted? RE: http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 50#p504949

Just wanted to know if they still sell them in Japan. I was thinking, perhaps... on my next trip, I might just buy one and take it home with me.

Thanks! Will be going to the show tomorrow (my time).

Yeah, I'll probably drop by Nissan HQ in Yokohama again. Interestingly, at Narita airport customs/immigration control, they had a bunch of kiosks where they'd take your picture and your index finger fingerprints (both required for incoming foreigners) but there were no power outlets where they were positioned. Instead, they had white suitcase-like boxes from AESC that looked just like that CHAdeMO power box. I'm 90% sure these kiosks didn't exist on my 2015 trip.

I also saw something else closer to the officers' desks that was also powered by that and they clearly said "Automotive Energy Supply Corporation". Unfortunately, all of that was in a strictly no picture taking area, so I couldn't.

IIRC, the LCD monitors on those kiosks were NEC so that AESC box is probably not a coincidence.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:12 am

Thanks! Pls try and see if you can ask someone at the Leaf HQ for a definite pricing. If the price is low enough, it may be justifiable to bring one home as oversized checked baggage....

Your observation at Narita was interesting.... Do they look like these with wheels on them? There a po-chiku big and a little one.
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cwerdna wrote:
mxp wrote:Enjoy the show! ;-)

Most people rent a WiFi hotspot device because their phones may not have the cell phone frequencies that cover Japan. Nevertheless, that 5GB prepaid for $30 is a pretty good deal.

BTW, if possible, will you be able to help find out more about the "power from Leaf via Chademo port" box you previously posted? RE: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=24497&start=50#p504949

Just wanted to know if they still sell them in Japan. I was thinking, perhaps... on my next trip, I might just buy one and take it home with me.

Thanks! Will be going to the show tomorrow (my time).

Yeah, I'll probably drop by Nissan HQ in Yokohama again. Interestingly, at Narita airport customs/immigration control, they had a bunch of kiosks where they'd take your picture and your index finger fingerprints (both required for incoming foreigners) but there were no power outlets where they were positioned. Instead, they had white suitcase-like boxes from AESC that looked just like that CHAdeMO power box. I'm 90% sure these kiosks didn't exist on my 2015 trip.

I also saw something else closer to the officers' desks that was also powered by that and they clearly said "Automotive Energy Supply Corporation". Unfortunately, all of that was in a strictly no picture taking area, so I couldn't.

IIRC, the LCD monitors on those kiosks were NEC so that AESC box is probably not a coincidence.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 am

mxp wrote:Thanks! Pls try and see if you can ask someone at the Leaf HQ for a definite pricing. If the price is low enough, it may be justifiable to bring one home as oversized checked baggage....

Your observation at Narita was interesting.... Do they look like these with wheels on them? There a po-chiku big and a little one.
https://www.r-expo.jp/wsew2016/exhiSear ... hp?id=1066

I believe they were the 1000 Wh version, judging by the orientation. I'm not sure now. This morning, I thought it was that and now, I'm not sure. But yes, whatever I saw was likely one of one of the two battery items or both.

I found https://www.aesc-lb-ec.com/ which I found by Googling for leaf to 100v aesc. It says the price is 321,480 JPY or about $2820 USD. I also found http://www.aesc-lb-ec.com/user_data/Sub ... to100.php/, but the whole thing is a huge image so the Google Translate web site can't help with that. From using the camera feature from the Google Translate app, there are definitely some references to 149,000 yen. I can't read Japanese at all...

I'm finished w/my 1st day of 2 at the show. I only went to east halls, so far (http://www.tokyo-motorshow.com/en/showguide/east13.html, http://www.tokyo-motorshow.com/en/showguide/east46.html and http://www.tokyo-motorshow.com/en/showguide/east78.html). Will be hitting west hall tomorrow.

They had some test drive (I can't do that) and test ride events: http://www.tokyo-motorshow.com/en/event/testride.html. Today was the last day of any test rides. The easiest way to attempt to reserve was via their goofy app that uses location to ensure you're at the venue. You can't reserve test rides until 2 hours before the ride itself but wow, the slots are so limited in # and people are so fast I had no luck in registering for a single 1 of the "Extreme Test-Ride Experience". By the time exactly struck the 2 hour mark, I might be able to click on a car but by the time I click 3 checkboxes (required) and agree, it says it already hit the max number. I did this numerous times today. :(

I "love" how their goofy app sends me push notifications in Japanese even though the app UI is rendering in English for me.

As before, the emphasis of all automakers at the show was pretty much ICEVs w/a small smattering of hybrids, PHEVs and EVs.

Was surprised to see a next gen e-Golf (has a full-color LCD for the gauge cluster instead of the physical dials in the previous/current gen). Surprised me that it had 2 charging inlets: J1772 in the nose under the VW logo (you push on the left side of the logo to open the charging flap) and another flap on the rear fender covering..... a CHAdeMO inlet! Hahahaha. I spoke w/the rep there for awhile, but he had to stop a bunch of times due to real potential customers wanting to talk to him.

He mentions that CHAdeMO stations in Japan are 30 km apart. But he said there are coverage issues in the countryside. I didn't have a chance to talk to him more about this. I asked about him public J1772 and it sounded like that doesn't exist in Japan. People charging on J1772 at home.

There was a bit of hyrdogen FCEV stuff but more from the supplier's POV (e.g. they make some components or units that go in FCEVs). I didn't have a chance to visit Toyota's booth to see if they were pushing hydrogen but didn't see that at Honda's booth. Perhaps there's another area for hydrogen stuff.

After leaving TMS, I realized it seemed like Nissan didn't have their whole Japanese vehicle lineup at the booth. I don't think I saw a FairladyZ (aka 370Z here) nor a Teana (close cousin of the Altima).

Not directly TMS related, but the day before I attended TMS, I was at Nissan Crossing in Ginza (https://www3.nissan.co.jp/crossing/en.html). One of the marketing videos they had running was very similar to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daCVn3cZuD0, probably a longer version. I liked the music. I did recall seeing something similar sometimes running at Nissan's booth.

There's an older more generalized version w/less focus on EVs at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOFSch5NuYY.

Unrelated: It seems like many taxis in Japan are moving beyond the ancient looking Toyota Crowns and Crown Comforts that I referred to at viewtopic.php?p=269676#p269676. Many seems to be much more modern looking Crowns now. I saw a Nissan Teana taxi instead of an ancient looking Cedric. I saw a Gen 2 Prius taxi (not real common as a taxi in Japan) exhibiting heavy spark knock.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:44 pm

Thanks for finding the AESC links.

That e-Golf with the rear CHAdeMO port is likely a Japan-only local market option. The Euro QC plug isn't going to help at all, at least in Japan ;-P

From the test-drive webpages, it would have been wobbly fun trying to test drive the Outlander PHEV up that steep ramp.

Did you get a chance to check out the Mitsu Outlander PHEV? I wonder if it's any different from the ones they are selling in the UK/Europe markets... like the missing CHAdeMO port from the US market-bound Outlander PHEV.

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Old press quoted (circa Jan 2016): ....Ken Konieczka, vice president of sales operations at Mitsubishi Motors North America Inc., said that the decision had been made to remove CHAdeMO DC quick charging capability on U.S.-spec Outlander PHEV models because of limited CHAdeMO DC quick charging availability.

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Re: Tokyo Motor Show 2017

Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:45 am

mxp wrote:That e-Golf with the rear CHAdeMO port is likely a Japan-only local market option. The Euro QC plug isn't going to help at all, at least in Japan ;-P


Nor will an SAE CCS "FrankenPlug" port, which is VW's choice for QC'ing in North America.
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